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Academic underachievers (Boys, discipline, dropouts, grades, medications, etc.)
The Washington Times ^ | January 22, 2006 | Joyce Howard Price

Posted on 01/21/2006 11:25:45 PM PST by neverdem

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To: wintertime
There are so many factors at play here...in no way can the public schools shoulder all the blame. And in fact, I believe it is dangerous to try to shift all the blame to the schools.

I remember summer days as a kid where I would leave at 9 am, come back at noon, leave and come back at dinnertime. During that time I played, fought, argued, dreamed, built, did good and did bad. But I had the freedom to do all of that. A typical kid now has large portions of days planned out for him and being out of the yard and out of a parent's line of sight is rare.

I live in a safe neighborhood filled with kids and in the summers I can count on one hand the number of kids I see outside during the day. At night, I will see dozens, all with parents nearby. I can't say "it's the heat" as I grew up in Georgia with heat these Virginia kids would faint in!

There has been a fundamental shift in America where a child is held up as a possession much like a very nice car. Hang around parents long enough and listen to them compare their little prizes as if they are reliving their own childhood again. This is the age of the child and we as a society are creating "Little Emperors" much as is happening in China.

When mine were young, I tried to NOT plan out their day. We limited them each to 2 sports a year and their music. I had several parents in my area approach me and ask if they could privately donate money so that my girls could be in more activities! They thought what I was doing was so much LESS that there must have been a problem with finances!

And yes, they attended public schools. My husband and I were very active parents and guided and still guide their instruction every year. I know their teachers, the curriculums, the books, the assignments and their homework. Both of my girls are successful by any standard one would want to toss down, and my younger daughter even more than her sister.

Some posters here who want to point the fingers at the schools as the source of all problems. There are problems in the schools, indeed, but by limiting your focus, you automatically rule out other areas that are equally to blame. In our country we have a breakdown of respect to all authority figures from the president on down to the local cop, respect to elders in ones family and in society, church attendance is at some sort of scary low, fathers are held up as objects of comedy in commercials, televison shows and movies, and there is a pervasive sense of ugliness in every area of pop culture.

Let the public schools take the hits where they deserve them, but stop and look at the larger problems, where hopefully we all can make a difference.

61 posted on 01/22/2006 9:24:06 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA
And yes, they attended public schools.( Softballmom)

You girls are attending government schools in which boys will be educationally and emotionally neglected. This can't be good environment for either the boys or YOUR girls.

What are your girls learning? What socialization are they being repeatedly exposed to? Is it emotionally or socially healthy for your girls to see boys floundering daily?

I don't think so.

Is this the wonderful "socialization" that government school defenders are saying that homeschoolers are missing out on? Sounds toxic to me.
62 posted on 01/22/2006 10:04:09 AM PST by wintertime
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To: pookie18
Kewl!

:-)

63 posted on 01/22/2006 10:09:17 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("Liberals aren't neighborhood people." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Sounds toxic to me.( wintertime)

To SoftballmominVA,

If it looks toxic, waddles toxic, quacks toxic, it IS toxic.

Government schools are toxic waste for both boys and girls.

Time to call government schools what they are: Toxic Waste Dumps.

But,,,,hey,,,,I bet your girls go to "Blue Ribbon" toxic waste dump schools. ( yeah right!)

Sorry,,,,SoftballmominVa,,,,your are not going to get any of this "Let's all work together" to make government schools better" from me.

Nor,,,,are you going to any approval from me for your personal "what's best for my family" decision.

NO!....Government schools HURT children. All children. YOUR children. They are a monstrosity.

It is my goal, to change the language regarding government schools. It is my goal to call them what they truly are.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.


64 posted on 01/22/2006 10:13:24 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
How dare you call my girls a monstrosity? I am actually shaking with anger as I go to push the abuse button!!

YOU DON'T KNOW ME OR MY FAMILY! MY GIRLS ARE NOT A MONSTROSITY AT ANY LEVEL! HOW DARE YOU?

65 posted on 01/22/2006 10:18:32 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA
MY GIRLS ARE NOT A MONSTROSITY

To SoftballMominVA,

Government schools are a monstrosity. I don't know your girls, so I have no opinion about them. Hopefully they are not the monsters parodied in the "Mean Girls" movie.

I do have an opinion about those parents who do send their kids to the government Toxic Waste Dumps (mis-named "schools"). I am especially judgmental about parents who do this and could make the sacrifices to do differently.

But,,,hey,,,,I bet your girls attend "Blue Ribbon" government schools....so why worry?
66 posted on 01/22/2006 10:27:32 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Do not post or freepmail me. I do not like or respect you and do not care for any type of backpeddling you may want to do now. Your comments towards others are consistently hateful and unhelpful. You hold your choices up as the only possible good ones. You are wrong.

What do you care what kind of school my girls go to if they are good citizens? I never said they went to a blue ribbon school or anything else. YOU put those words in my mouth as I have seen you do over and over to others. Who do YOU think YOU are to sit in judgement on my and my family? WE MADE THE BEST CHOICE FOR OUR CHILDREN as did you and your family. We are reaping the rewards of good, christian young ladies who will contribute well to our society. I respect your choice, you obviously do not respect mine.

I REPEAT, DO NOT POST OR FREEPMAIL ME EVER AGAIN. You can be sure this is my last post to you.

67 posted on 01/22/2006 10:34:05 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: neverdem

I would also suggest reading Raising Cain by Dan Kindlon and Michael Thompson.


68 posted on 01/22/2006 10:56:19 AM PST by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: Darnright

I agree with the importance of Vocational Technical Training at the HS level! My sister would have never survived college, she took cosmotology at the VoTech in HS. She started at a good salon right after graduation, and makes more than I did as a teacher.


69 posted on 01/22/2006 11:04:44 AM PST by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: neverdem

I think that you probably would give them the same kind of "education" no matter what. You would be a good father (am I guessing right:0)? Education begins in the home. That's for sure.


70 posted on 01/22/2006 11:52:15 AM PST by moog
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71 posted on 01/22/2006 12:04:20 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: moog

Your statement seems to blame the boys. I don't think extra activities are the problem. The punishment given to boys at an early age fits for girls but is the worst thing you could do for boys. They are expected to act like girls. And then there is the feminazis in leadership positions. No, I think the schools and the system are to blame.


72 posted on 01/22/2006 12:08:45 PM PST by FOG724 (Governor Spendanator)
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To: JOE43270

Both of my boys had a great lady teacher. She was able to accomplish things with the boys that no one else could. The thing I liked best about her was her ability to separate behavior from academics. She was masterful at what she did.


73 posted on 01/22/2006 12:12:47 PM PST by FOG724 (Governor Spendanator)
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To: FOG724

Sounds like you foud a CLASS A TEACHER and LADY.


74 posted on 01/22/2006 12:18:17 PM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: FOG724
Your statement seems to blame the boys. I don't think extra activities are the problem. The punishment given to boys at an early age fits for girls but is the worst thing you could do for boys. They are expected to act like girls. And then there is the feminazis in leadership positions. No, I think the schools and the system are to blame.

Not a bit actually. I think it is a bunch of factors, one big one being the absence or presence of a strong male figure in the household. I agree with a lot of what you say. We should realize that boys and girls are different and I think a lot of people still do. My statement there was reflective that sometimes our priorities get mixed up. Sometimes TV and other things become more important than "important" things. And that could probably apply to a lot of us. I know it applies to me. We can put all of our eggs in one basket and blame the "system" (prisoners, liberals, some Hurricane Katrina survivors, and others are good at that already), but it also includes things like the family unit, individual responsibility and effort, parental involvement, media, and so on and so on. In other words, there's a variety of things to consider. After a certain age, I am responsible for my own choices and their consequences and I have learned that the hard way. I'm a dum-dum idiot because of my own efforts, not someone else's fault. :)

75 posted on 01/22/2006 12:19:09 PM PST by moog
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To: FOG724
Both of my boys had a great lady teacher. She was able to accomplish things with the boys that no one else could. The thing I liked best about her was her ability to separate behavior from academics. She was masterful at what she did. Wonderful. At our school, there are a few teachers who have raised boys and they do seem to do pretty well with many of them. And yes, I LOVE your point about separating behavior from academics. Good thing to remember.
76 posted on 01/22/2006 12:21:14 PM PST by moog
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To: neverdem

bump


77 posted on 01/22/2006 12:21:17 PM PST by VOA
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To: kiki04



I agree with you. One thing that I have seen is a lot more "internships" where some students get some good on the job experience. Our flower lady down the road can't keep her interns too long because they often get hired by bigger firms later on because they get so good.


78 posted on 01/22/2006 12:24:23 PM PST by moog
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To: moog
You sound like a teacher. I do blame the system. I have had to work extra hard to counter their detrimental behavior. My boys learned at an early age that you can't trust teachers, schools and district administration. I didn't do that nor did the activities of my family. We are a strong, two parent traditional family. No divorce and balanced activities. My boys both score in the 99%tile. I wish I could have put them in private school.
79 posted on 01/22/2006 12:28:36 PM PST by FOG724 (Governor Spendanator)
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To: neverdem
I agree and that is why I homeschool my two boys. Before I get flamed ~I am not saying everyone has to homeschool their boys, I am just giving my reasons for homeschooling my boys. IMO- my boys need about half of their day for physical hands on learning.
80 posted on 01/22/2006 12:28:48 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Embrace peace- Hug an American soldier- the real peace keepers.)
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