Skip to comments.Michigan Senate: Stabenow with Big Lead
Posted on 01/23/2006 7:14:02 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
Debbie Stabenow (D) 56% Michael Bouchard (R) 31% RasmussenReports.com
Debbie Stabenow (D) 54% Keith Butler (R) 34% RasmussenReports.com
Debbie Stabenow (D) 58% Jerry Zandstra (R) 30% RasmussenReports.com
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Bad news ping.
Was this poll conducted by weight?
I don't see how the Senator in a State that is such an economic basket case can take credit for anything, and I can't see why the voters would have any desire to return her to the Senate.
I guess that incompetent voters elect incompetent politicians.
what economic message is the republican challenger putting forth?
Joe Scarboruough doing a piece now on the Katherine Harris campaign mess.
Don't know, but just about anything beats socialism.
What I find ironic is that Michael Bouchard was lured into the race because he was perceived to be more electable, yet he's running weaker than Keith Butler. Something to think about.
Get Stabmenow in a debate with Keith Butler. It will be no contest.
Don't know about Bouchard.
Maybe he's running weaker because he's perceived as being more to the middle in a conservative party. Put him on the ballot, and it might work to his advantage, though.
The voters in certain cities in Michigan are stupid. Anybody hear how the woman who oversaw the vote counting in Detroit was indicted (I think) for voting irregularities? Anyone ever notice how in the past Detroit always waited until after the rest of the state reported? That just couldn't possibly have anything to do with manufacturing votes.
None, as of yet. I'd rather see Keith Butler get the nomination.
Michigan's GOP has been pretty pathetic. The legislature is under their control and they *refuse* to lay any of the state's economic mess at Granholm's feet. She panders to Detroit and the unions, ignores the economic engine of Oakland County, the state is the ONLY one that's still hemmoraging jobs, yet it looks like the Canadian Trash will win re-election.
Stabenow, Hillary's other head, will probably win, too.
Things could be changing for the better, but not for a few years. The western side of the state -- Grand Rapids -- could have greater pull since it's population is gaining ground. Anything that helps keep money from being thrown into the black hole of Detroit is fine with me.
Yep. That's Debbie Curry for ya. She was voted OUT because the Detroit Free Press and News actually *reported* on the shennanigans in her office, her defiance of a judicial court order, seniors with dementia voting, etc.
Oh, she blamed the GOP, too. I kid you not.
I think that Keith Butler could be helped by this poll. He runs the most strongly of the GOP candidates in the race.
If Michigan ever needed a conservative, life-cherishing, business-supporting, republic-honoring senator, it is now.
Thanks. I couldn't remember her name and I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
Here's more Senate election information.
Stabenow is great with consituent services. Give her office a call, and those staffers will go to hell and back to help you out. If Spence Abraham would've done services like that he'd still be our Senator.
Stabenow is awful in front of a camera. She does come off as a person who cares, but when speaking to a group she doesn't even regurgitate Dem speaking points well.
She definitely relies on that Dem unholy aliance - big labor, big welfare, liberal college towns, etc.
The sad commentary is that, aside from Engler's notable 12 year run as Gov, we've not had any credible state-wide candidates emerge from the primordial political ooze. Part of the reason is the STUPID term limits we've got here, which churns up the political office holders so we can't figure out who's emerging as serious talent.
Thanks for that!
"I don't see how the Senator in a State that is such an economic basket case can take credit for anything, and I can't see why the voters would have any desire to return her to the Senate.
I guess that incompetent voters elect incompetent politicians."
Michigan is full of Islamic voters.
Too bad there isn't enough grass-roots soapboxing to make a difference. I thought I saw a map of the 2004 election that colored most of the state red, with a big patch of blue around Detroit, Marquette, possibly Ann Arbor. I suspect that if the people in Michigan who own guns and hunt were informed of her position the tally would be different.
Stabenow is against our First Amendment rights; she voted for BCFR. Stabenow is against our Second Aamendment rights; she voted against Protection of Legal Commerce in Arms. The implications of those two issues alone should be enough to influence gun owners, hunters, as well as their families. The implication of the vote totals is that gun owners and hunters are not made aware of her record.
I imagine it would be easy to inform the electorate with a concerted effort on the part of a vocal and articulae few across the state.
Throw in her record on environmental issues and you probably gather voters concerned about their property rights.
The media isn't going to tell us the truth; it is high time those who care about those issues speak, and speak often. A letter to the editor can be written fairly easily. The NRA-ILA website has helpful links to write an informed letter.
Yep. Islamics and liberals are also on the same page. Blame stupid white and stupid black people too.
Also blame William Clay Ford Jr. for all of his leftist ideologies. His great grandfather practically built the industrial base of the state. It sure is going down in flames now and has been since Old Man Henry Ford died and the 1960's crowd came in with the dope, hashish, marijuana, etc...
I was born and raised in Dearborn. Michigan is a beautiful state, I love it dearly for how I remember it. Sorry you still have to live there, but it is fading fast I hate to say from the looks of the last time I visited four years ago. I can't believe that idiot Conyers is still in Congress!
Obviously, I'd rather have Stabenow at below 50%, but the poll shows the race to be winnable if we play our cards right. Reverend Keith Butler does the best among the three Republicans, holding Stabenow to 54% and trailing by "only" 20%, as opposed to by 25% for Bouchard and by 28% for Zandstra. It would be interesting to know if the poll shows Butler reducing Stabenow's margins in Detroit and southern Oakland County.
Right now, we have three candidates who need more resources to make their case statewide. I have long thought that Butler is our most promising candidate, since any reduction in the RAT share of the black vote (or even a reduction in black turnout, which could happen if blacks don't feel energized by Stabenow's appeal when she's running against a black candidate who shares many of theur values) would cause the state to go from RAT-leaning to GOP-leaning.
I would hate for this Senate race to slip away.
Your "etc." are the dead, multiple, and non-existing voters?
Keith Butler would be a terrible nomination. I have had discussions with both him and Jerry Zandstra. Zandstra is heads and tails above Butler. Butler seems to think he is entitled to the nomination due to his demographic draw. Zandstra has true conservative principles, not just the "moral" conservatism.
They hang up on me, and I don't even swear.
"I have long thought that Butler is our most promising candidate, since any reduction in the RAT share of the black vote...."
The inner city Detroit vote will be energized by Butler to vote for Debbie. They consider him a sellout and will do anything for that "uncle tom" to go down in flames. Even his own parishinors are against him.
EVERYONE, please stay off the Butler band wagon. It is a house of cards that will come crashing down.
"The inner city Detroit vote will be energized by Butler to vote for Debbie. They consider him a sellout and will do anything for that "uncle tom" to go down in flames. Even his own parishinors are against him."
Too bad that a majority of folks in Michigan don't want that.
"Butler seems to think he is entitled to the nomination due to his demographic draw. Zandstra has true conservative principles, not just the "moral" conservatism."
Why is this? A do nothing, lightweight Senator with a 20 plus point lead? I guess it's name recognition, blue state, union nonsense. They kept sending Paul Simon back. And Obama is an untouchable, I guess.
blame the republicans? no way, they have nothing to do with budget issues...
well, except for the 30%+ raise they gave themselves a few years back.. and their trying to tax themselves into prosperity.. and their devotion to the auto unions.. and the jobs cuts that cost us millions in fed money..
Sorry 'bout that . Brain freeze. Thinking Illinois.
"Our goal should be a single flat rate that is as low as possible....." Then "The law should allow exemptions only for the following: "
Well, he really isn't for a single flat rate, is he?
"Here is Butler on legal reform:"
Then he says nothing.
That is part of my problem with him. I attempted a dialogue with him specifically about taxes and legal reform. He wasn't interested in even discussing them. Due to those attempts at discussion I get all of his communications. I am not impressed and I don't see a true committment to core fiscally conservative issues.
Most flat-tax plans allow exemptions. I recall Phil Gramm's plan from 1996 (when he ran for President) specifically allowing the mortgage deduction, and both his plan and Steve Forbes's exempted the first $40,000 or so in earnings (which would rise for people with dependents) from the tax.
I think Butler could certainly flesh out his positions a little more on some issues, but the election is over 10 months away. The point is, Butler is a conservative across the board, not just on "moral issues."
I suppose I just have a bad taste in my mouth after my discussions with him. I just didn't get the impression that I could trust him. In addition, I support the FairTax and I know that Zandstra is now a FairTaxer too.
Amen to that. Term limits don't work in the real world. They just make the unelected professional bureaucrats more powerful.
I'm a big supporter of the FairTax, too; I think we should get rid of the income tax altogether. But I also want to make abortion illegal, and adopt a Federal Marriage Amendment, and plenty of other things, and I think Butler would increase our odds of achieving those things, since (i) I think he has a better chance of winning, and (ii) as a black conservative, he would be a better spokesman for getting blacks around the nation to support those goals.
You're very impressed with the Reverand Butler (who's a real reverand, in contrast to a better-known Civil Rights leader who only uses the title).
I still have doubts about Butler's electability, but I object to the sneaky, back-handed way that Elizabeth Dole & Company lured Michael Bouchard into the race. So I'm for Keith Butler on that principal alone.
Is that my dear women: Hows a bout a date?
Very funny, DH. I want a steak!
1) Zandstra is 100% on board with the FairTax.
2) Abortion is no longer up to the legislature. It is left to the supreme court.
3) Any ammendment to the constitution is dang near impossible at this point in time.
Keep in mind the only thing the Senate can really effect is fiscal policies.
Geez. I know it is still early, but it is depressing to see a lack of motivation in these states. We should be able to pick up seats in Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Washington easily; and have some close races in North Dakota, Nebraska, and New Mexico, but our recruitment sucks.
Feh. Maybe something will happen in the next few months.
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