Posted on 01/25/2006 6:56:43 AM PST by Dark Skies
I can see Israel delivering such a back-channel maessage.
An Iranian nuke fired against Isreal is counter-productive.
To begin with, any destruction of Isreal is bound to result in the destruction of the "Palestinian Authority" that all Muslim countries have championed for 60 years. It would kill far more Muslims than it would Jews. It would demonstrate, once and for all, that the Muslim solidarity behind support for the Palestinians was always rhetoric.
The blast, and the fallout, would pollute or destroy Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Turkey virtually forever. Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and parts of Iran itself would also be contaminated, if not destroyed. Great way to maintain good relations with your Islamic brothers.
Teh resulting devestation and fallout would shut down a signifigant portion of the world's oil production, wrecking every economy on the planet, but hurting the Muslims the most. Iran cannot continue to prop up it's Fundamentalist Potemkin village with oil revenues. It will be ripe for conquest or internal revolution without them.
No, Iran is not seeking nukes to wipe Isreal off the map, even if that is the stated goal. The real goal is to create a new center of Islamic power. The choice used to be between Saddam and the Ayatollahs. The list just got shorter. What the mullah-cracy intends to do with it's new-found influence and power is harder to discern.
With the Iranians boxed in between United States forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Russians to the north, Chinese to the East and India to the south(all non-Islamic, nuclear powers with much greater conventional military strength than the Iranians), the threat of nulear annhilation is the only weapon that might actually guarentee Iranian security while they create their new, Islamic Reich.
Doubtful W will really tour Pakinstan in March as announced.
"I can see Israel delivering such a back-channel maessage."
Yep.
The Dems would cry and crow: "Be should have had a plan" (for unauthorized airspace incursions). Remember John Swiftboat Kerry in 2004--every word out of his mouth was "Bush had no plan." The Dems love plans. They just don't like action.
Sorry, the "splainin" is obvious. I would start by saying that Iran has been at war with the US since 1979 (remember the hostages?). They have engaged in various acts of war against the US since then. Besides that, who does the US have to explain things to? The Russians? The Chinese? The French? Even the French have threatened Iran with nuclear retaliation.
Your second point, I think the US should participate or be the lead in this operation.
It's nice to debate these points and ask questions of each other, but events are proceeding rapidly and I think all these questions will be moot in about 60 days.
Back in 2004 I convinced myself that the West (to include Russia) was going to attack Iran in mid-November 2004, having waited til the US presidential election was over. Of course, that didn't happen.
I applaud the recent French bellicosity. Now we just need to sit back and let the Israelis do it, or the West needs to get serious.
"The Dems would cry and crow: "Be should have had a plan" "
Let 'em cry. Doesn't guarantee political victory. There is a limit to how much the Democrats will be able to complain about allowing the Israelis to take out the Iranian nukes.
Speculation he was talking about use of Turkey's US base for airstrikes against Iran. Could it be possible that he was asking Turkey to permit Israel to use it?
The referral to the UN and the Security Council is a necessary charade. No sane person thinks that will have any real effect on Iran.
I am confident there will be a strike if no one puts a bullet in Adminijad's (whatever) head in the next two or three months. The question is US alone, Israel alone, or a joint strike?
Final question; are there others that might join in the strike?
The Moussed (sp) have these things marked out and the IDF has them marked. They know EXACTLY what to hit and when, and I'm with them 100%.
Every time I see Jews being slaughtered during WWII by the Nazis I cry, and I scream, "why didn't you FIGHT! Fight to the death!". Israel has learned it's lesson....."Never Again". That eases my sorrow, and it dries my tears. They will take care of the business that the stinking UN won't, and the US can't.
Israelis, look back in your history when Iran threatens, look back and see the railroad cars, the "showers" and the ovens. You have your own nation, and you have defended it for almost 50 years....50 years of freedom. I don't doubt that you will defend it again, brilliantly, but don't let the UN push you into another rail car. The sign over the UN should read "Arbeit macken Frie". That's not where you want to go, you chose freedom and sovereignty.
Why do you think Israel is going to use jets?
Why is it that so many on this thread think Israel would still load nukes onto jets?
Do you think that if the US were to use nukes, that we'd load them on a jet?
Think about it.
Nuclear bunker busters with 1 megaton nuclear weapons.
Not to mention that our troops in the region come under the same grave threat.
How about loaning the Israelis some F-22 Raptor fighters (Or use US pilots with Israeli markings on the F-22's)
I agree, but it might not be if it wasn't for Jimmah Carter.
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