Posted on 01/25/2006 9:27:55 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Wake me up when you find even the tiniest bit of scientific evidence for ID. Oh, wait...you're still Waiting for Funding.
It's amazing that people like Darwin and Mendel got anything done; didn't they know they were supposed to Wait for Funding? Thank goodness actual scientific research has always found a way to advance.
There are a few such stalwarts on these threads. Fester Chugabrew is another such bastion of InfoVacancy.
All that "materialism" junk from DI reminds me of so much socialist pap. I'm amazed that this was sold to American "conservative" Christians. The same ones who voted for Reagan and those materialistic tax cuts.
Then the question is whay are some people obsessed with Creationism?
I think a quote from #49 is enlightening:
people who want to destroy or at least seriously diminish our nations advancements in science education.
That is a paranoid point of view and quite ludicrous.
Just like Cindy Sheehan and Harry Belafonte blame all the world's ills on Bush, some people seem to think Discovery Institute or creationists are the devil incarnate.
Like my initial post on this thread, yes Hillary, it is all a vast right wing conspiracy.
One of my comments was also going to be, "Are you going to attibute the prorocols of the elders of creationism" to them soon?
These creationist "conservatives" are the same people whose grandparents were democrats when they were cheering for William Jennings Bryan during the Scopes trial. Nothing's changed but the party label. Franklin Roosevelt somehow managed to deal with it, and I guess it's our turn to do the same.
Ah, yes. The persecuted majority argument. Perhaps you could offer some evidence, any evidence at all, that (1) any teacher anywhere is teaching that "all religions are frauds;" and/or (2) that a single church has closed down for any reason remotely related to the "indoctrination" of children at schools. (As for (2), you're first going to have to find a church somewhere that actually closed down, a daunting task in and of itself since churches are significantly growing in number, not declining).
Agenda Item 2: Take money from defense budget. Constantly attack military. Expel ROTC from campus. Criticize efforts at self-defense. Long-term Goal--Zero out the defense budget and divert the money to "education."
Again, any evidence that defense monies are being "diverted" to the awful conspiracy of education (and, on a side note, why do you so fear, or perhaps despise, education)?
Agenda Item 3: Take money from welfare. Teach that the best form of welfare is job training. Long-term Goal--Zero out welfare budget and divert the money to "education."
If I'm reading this right, you are actually in favor of welfare, you don't want to see people get job training, and you don't want the welfare budget "zeroed out." Kind of a weird position on a conservative forum, don't you think?
Agenda Item 4: Require that any job holder must be certified by the schools. Speak of the dangers of non-certified personnel holding any job. Require long and expensive training before a person can hold any job. Long-term goal: Greatly increase money spent on "education."
And if I'm reading this right, you're against education requirements for, say, doctors, engineers, architects, etc. Why is that?
I have to say, this is a singularly bizarre conspiracy theory.
LOL, but I fear you're giving them ammunition for the argument that evolution "is a religion." ;^)
Yes, LOL. Flew over the old boy's head. Some people aren't born with much brain power.
It's not paranoid to point out that the hard right (of which I am a sometimes member) has been bashing science for decades now. Rush Limbaugh, who I agree with on many subjects, is a primary culprit, because he doesn't understand science at all, which even he admits.
The primary bashing subject has been environmental "science", because that branch of science has been totally corrupted by the left for political gain. That some conservatives have now begun to attack science in general and evolution in particular is not paranoid, it's just the facts.
Should we not be concerned with an organized effort to lower educational standards?
Should we not be concerned when such a group is caught lying to advance that goal?
It's as scientific as is religion.
LOL! :-)
May explain the popularity of Harry Potter.
Intelligent Design theory is in it's infancy from a scientific standpoint. Are you trying to discount ID before it has a chance to be properly vetted by the hosts of scientists willing to bring the supporting evidence to light?
Patience my friend.
I don't agree with this at all. I do not feel there is any factual basis for this statement.
Yes, it's "for the children (weeping and strong emotion)"
You've convinced. me.
You haven't changed much, insults seem to be your only manner of communications, your earlier one did not go unnoticed.
On the other hand, I've changed, and I will not play this infantile insults game with anyone.
Goodbye.
What we are dealing with is a group of conservatives who are believers in the free-market. They have determined to try and persuade the population, not restrict information. The Education Establishment is always surprised to see a marketing strategy because they have been dealing in socialistic "Brown Shirt" tactics for so long.
The process is being blessed by the Creator, who will provide the funding through His people. Scriptural principals are foreign to the brainwashed mind. God does not force anyone to trust in Him (Freedom of choice sanctioned on High). The Founders picked up on this principal of "persuade don't force" from Jesus Christ.
No I am not, because no scientific organization had been founded with the agenda of forcing it's theories on the Church, so while science is demonstrably not seeking to intrude where it doesn't belong, religion is demonstrably seeking to force its theories on the scientific arena.
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