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To: connectthedots
"Those who support ID/creation are not attempting to control science any more than evolutionists; and probably less so than evolutionists."

I don't recall a single instance of a scientific organization suing to force religion to be discussed at the pulpits.

"Evolutionism" is a scientific theory, competing against other scientific theories, in the scientific arena...that makes perfect sense.

What doesn't make any sense, is the idea of religion entering the scientific arena in order to promote the notion of an unknown power greater than ourselves being the creator/designer of everything.

So, if you believe in Creation, you cannot possibly believe in ID because they are absolutely incompatible; ID denies the God of the Bible by suggesting that the source of Creation is an unknown force.

If you believe in Biblical Creationism, then you KNOW that force; it isn't unknown.

24 posted on 01/25/2006 10:45:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
What doesn't make any sense, is the idea of religion entering the scientific arena in order to promote the notion of an unknown power greater than ourselves being the creator/designer of everything.

Christianity is not separate from 'truth'. Christians are just as capable of being excellent scientists as anyone. Evolutionists are closed minded when they reject out-of-hand any consideration of the existence of God.

So, if you believe in Creation, you cannot possibly believe in ID because they are absolutely incompatible; ID denies the God of the Bible by suggesting that the source of Creation is an unknown force.

ID does not take a position as to the identity of the 'unknown force'. Creationists do. Personally, I do wonder how an IDer can maintain that the 'unknown force' is something other than God; and, specifically, God of the Bible. But then, I am a Christian. I could see why someone of a different religion might think it to be some other 'god'.

If you believe in Biblical Creationism, then you KNOW that force; it isn't unknown.

That would certainly be true for me. Please keep in mind that the God I believe in is not afraid of the truth; and neither am I. There are simply too many holes and gaps in evolution to consider it to be true on the macro level.

44 posted on 01/26/2006 12:20:44 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: Luis Gonzalez
if you believe in Creation, you cannot possibly believe in ID because they are absolutely incompatible; ID denies the God of the Bible by suggesting that the source of Creation is an unknown force.

You're arguing with someone who is incapable of connecting the dots...

51 posted on 01/26/2006 4:37:45 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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