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Asthmatics Beware: The Government May Ban Your Inhaler
Center for Individual Freedom ^ | January 26, 2006 | CFIF

Posted on 01/27/2006 3:07:55 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: goodnesswins

Achey day, headache please, go away.
And I'm getting a fever, Oy vey!
Can you tell me how to make, how to make aspirin today?

These you take, when aspirin you make.
Salicylic acid's on the list
And acetic anhydride and an acid catalyst.

Sulfuric to be exact. Mix them all and they react,
And an ester is formed. You esterify. You esterify.

On phenol, acetyl finds its goal.
And from water, white crystals arise.
And to make them pure, from alcohol recrystallize.

by Thomas Ott
Oakland University, Rochester MI


51 posted on 01/27/2006 6:01:53 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Fresh in the heels of them managing to get rid of Teflon, you just have to wonder what good it does to elect republicans.
52 posted on 01/27/2006 6:08:24 PM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Methinks I should stock up on the Primatene. Stupid enviro-wackos.

You better stock up!  I wrote to Collins and Snowe this evening about this.  I am so sick and tired of the FDA I can throw up.  They are getting worse, IMHO, instead of better.  They sure don't think about the little guy out here.

Good luck.  And yes, please stock up.  It won't hurt and it can only help. :)

53 posted on 01/27/2006 6:12:45 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: pepperdog
The environs are probably the most successful mass murderers on the planet. They have killed literally millions with the successful banning of DDT. They are probably more dangerous overall that any terrorists we face.

Worth repeating. Thanks!

54 posted on 01/27/2006 6:16:20 PM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: CyberSpartacus
Virtually all enviormental issues having nothing to do with the enviroment and everything to do with socialism.

Not pure socialism but socialism as a way stop to communism.

55 posted on 01/27/2006 6:45:59 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Hey the war on drugs is a good thing, Right? This is just another case of your knows-much-better-than-you-do nanny state deciding what is permissible for you to use. This time its the ozone layer but they don't need a reason, they have the authority to ban any substance they decide is bad for you. or bad for them if you use it.

Let freedom ring, my a$$

56 posted on 01/27/2006 7:04:16 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Asthmatics Beware: The Government May Ban Your Inhaler

Eco-terrorists to beathing impaired: Die! Asthmatic scum!

57 posted on 01/27/2006 7:05:57 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Gondring

I don't know exactly what phenylpropanolamine is, but most all drugs do seem to have side effects, it's part of the trade off. In a free society we make our own choices, in an authoritarian society, choices are made by authority, I guess.


58 posted on 01/27/2006 7:49:33 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; devolve; potlatch; PhilDragoo; Strawberry Blonde; bitt

Ecoterrorist ping. I guess those of us who would suffocate but for modern medicine, are genetically inferior and deserve to die. Eugenics 101.


59 posted on 01/27/2006 8:37:11 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: SheLion

For what it's worth, studies have shown that Primatene-type inhalers work as well for the short-term as albuterol and the other prescription ones, but are only effective for an hour or so, versus 4-6 hours for the prescription meds. Also, as posted above, the side effects, especially on heart rate and blood pressure, are much more intense. Primatene has been available over-the-counter only because it was already out before the FDA started regulating over-the-counter drugs. It probably wouldn't be up to safety standards if it were tested now.


60 posted on 01/27/2006 8:55:12 PM PST by ER Doc
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oh Goodie the eco-morons have already taken the Nasacort inhaler off the market. The alternative is the nasal spray version going down the throat wasted and not nearly as effective.


61 posted on 01/27/2006 9:07:33 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: goodnesswins
"No aspirin?"........THIS MEANS WAR!

Ironically Asthmatics aren't supposed to tke asprin :>} At least that's what they told me anyway.

63 posted on 01/27/2006 9:21:33 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Gabz

These are the same people that will be jumping on the idiotic California crapola that SHS causes asthma bandwagon.........tough luck.




WOW!! You're hard-core! LOL But, as we've said MANY times-wait until they get to taking away something YOU want or need.


65 posted on 01/27/2006 9:26:27 PM PST by The Foolkiller (This country is so proud of the "Freedom" it has. Yet every law that's passed takes more of it away.)
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To: Wolfstar
I have encountered the problem of having to use the albuterol inhaler a bit more often than normal during a given month. I've gone to the pharmacy to buy another, and was told the insurance company would not pay for it because they said I should only use a certain number of puffs in a certain number of days.

Buy one each month whether or not you use it. Stockpile if you can. Granted the insurance company limiting the number puffs from the {rescue inhaler} is insane. A couple of months ago I was having to juggle Flovent, Combivent, and Singular. They paid for two out of three of my choice.

66 posted on 01/27/2006 9:30:09 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Gondring
You might want to hesitate before casting that "idiot" stone. :-)

Not where you're concerned. Please give me a detailed analysis of what happens to inhaled CFCs. I'm sure it won't be hard for such a genius as yourself to prove that they come out in exactly the same amount and exactly the same composition as they went in.

67 posted on 01/27/2006 9:35:32 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: cva66snipe

Yes, I've been told that also....but, I'm not an asthmatic, luckily. (Although Docs tried to say I was....but, then they try to say LOTS of stuff I find idiotic, at times.)


68 posted on 01/27/2006 9:38:07 PM PST by goodnesswins (Seahawks headin' to the Superbowl for first time in 30 years....FINALLY!)
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To: goodnesswins
Yes, I've been told that also....but, I'm not an asthmatic, luckily. (Although Docs tried to say I was....but, then they try to say LOTS of stuff I find idiotic, at times.)

I thought I didn't till I read the clinical description which differs from what most persons see it as being. I've had it a long time and didn't know it. An exposure to black mold over the summer pushed it over the edge.

69 posted on 01/27/2006 9:46:46 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I've had asthma for 30 years and always used Primatene until the doctors got a hold of me. They had me on so many medications and inhalers I needed a goody bag to carry it all around. And my asthma got worse, couldn't even get off the couch without wheezing. I finally threw it all in the trash, went out and bought my Primatene and it's controlled it just fine. I only use it about once or twice a month now and I haven't had an attack in over 10 years, except for three aspirin induced attacks.

When you have a beast crouching on your chest, sucking all your air away, you could care less about the ozone layer.


70 posted on 01/28/2006 3:26:57 AM PST by DancingMyRainbow
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To: goodnesswins

At a college chemistry lab.


71 posted on 01/28/2006 4:18:22 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You cannot do a damn thing about the ban except for ineffectual ranting.


72 posted on 01/28/2006 5:46:40 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: All

They have small nebulizers on the market now - little portable ones and the medication for these is relatively inexpensive once the cost of the nebulizer itself has been covered. They are also covered by Medicare I believe although I paid for mine.

I use albuterol and advair but I have severe emphysema...and I think I am going to "graduate" to the small nebulizer for delivery next. I love the nebulizers but the larger machine made life inconvenient...the small portable one is going to be a welcome addition to my world.


73 posted on 01/28/2006 6:04:30 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: The Foolkiller
WOW!! You're hard-core! LOL But, as we've said MANY times-wait until they get to taking away something YOU want or need.

It's not that so much - I'm just tired of all these busybodies.

74 posted on 01/28/2006 6:12:02 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz; SheLion; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Better way to reduce all those health disparities!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010


75 posted on 01/28/2006 6:16:56 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jer33 3

NGO reducing health disparities, ping


76 posted on 01/28/2006 6:18:20 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RightWhale

ding, ding ding!

You are correct.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010


77 posted on 01/28/2006 6:22:39 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Better way to reduce all those health disparities!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010

Yep.  And "The Dumbing Down of America!" :(


78 posted on 01/28/2006 6:26:45 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

Holy moly! Now there is a post from caffine nazis!

These NGOs are popping up with their funded issues like whack a moles!

Going to see the caffine thread.


79 posted on 01/28/2006 6:39:02 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gondring

well mine is covered by Insurance so why shouldn't yours be covered?


80 posted on 01/28/2006 9:48:22 AM PST by ruoflaw
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To: imintrouble

I also use a nebulizer and I have to haul it everywhere I go and I would have liked the smaller version but my insurance company doesn't want to pay for it. I checked on it a couple of years ago and it was expensive at that time.


81 posted on 01/28/2006 10:07:34 AM PST by ruoflaw
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To: ruoflaw
Insurance companies don't always pay for refills, no matter what the doctor says or writes.

I have a prescription for a certain medication. After using it for 2 months my insurance company would not pay for a refill without reviewing all the records my doctor had. I got a letter last week stating that after reviewing my records they will pay for the drug for the next year and then another review will be necessary.

I went without the meds for a couple days and was to the point that I was going to pay whatever it cost to refill it without the insurance coverage.

I also use bioidentical hormones that require a prescription. My insurance company will not pay for them because they say cheaper alternatives are available.
82 posted on 01/28/2006 10:13:52 AM PST by muggs
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To: greasepaint
propane could be used as a propellant

Yep.... and it is in a number of the prescription products. This looks more like an issue of just reformulating the non-presctiption stuff to me.

83 posted on 01/28/2006 10:30:55 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: VOA
This is a win-win-win for some environmentalist.

You let out where a poor suffocating asthmatic kills a few environmentalists before he or she drops dead from lack of oxygen.

84 posted on 01/28/2006 10:34:50 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I'm writing my Congresscritters NOW! My daughter is an asthmatic dependent on these inhalers.


85 posted on 01/28/2006 10:42:14 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: muggs
bioidentical hormones

There's a big controversy over that right now. Apparently most of the "mixed to order" hormones end up having the same dosage proportions as you could get by buying the correct bulk-manufactured one. So, that's why insurers are reluctant to pay for them.

Anybody who's dealt with drugs and drug interactions can't help but marvel over the large variety of responses individuals get. I have a doctor who no longer even questions people who report something's not working for them, he just prescribes something else. He's come to the conclusion that if it works best for you, then it works best, period. It doesn't matter if there's a cheaper alternative that's exactly the same chemically. That theory has led him to better outcomes and happier patients, but it drives insurance companies nuts.

86 posted on 01/28/2006 10:46:22 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: ruoflaw

Hi there - sorry I just saw your message.

I Googled "portable nebulizer" and there were some choices there - they are between $60-115 for the purchase, and the little bottles aren't very expensive. I think they give better delivery too than the atomizers..more relaxing.

Have a look see - I didn't think I should put the links up here because of the "spam factor".... but google has quite a selection of ads.

Happy breathing!!!


87 posted on 01/28/2006 12:03:12 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: ArmstedFragg
Anybody who's dealt with drugs and drug interactions can't help but marvel over the large variety of responses individuals get. I have a doctor who no longer even questions people who report something's not working for them, he just prescribes something else. He's come to the conclusion that if it works best for you, then it works best, period. It doesn't matter if there's a cheaper alternative that's exactly the same chemically.

He sounds like a good doctor.

88 posted on 01/28/2006 12:16:51 PM PST by muggs
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To: BushMeister
Please give me a detailed analysis of what happens to inhaled CFCs. I'm sure it won't be hard for such a genius as yourself to prove that they come out in exactly the same amount and exactly the same composition as they went in.

Thank you for your confidence in my genius, but I really don't need to repeat the detailed analyses that have been completed and peer reviewed by others. In fact, you can go back even before the 1978 rule EIS to Midgely's American Chemical Society candle demonstration (I think that was dichlorodifluoromethane and I think MDIs use other CFCs, but research has been done on all), which made the very point was that these new "FreonTM" products were considered inert, harmless and odorless. [DISCLOSURE NOTE: I am employed by a firm on a consulting contract with E. I. du Pont de Nemours and Company (DuPont), but I am not a physician nor involved in this business segment, and everything herein is my own opinion, not DuPont's and not to be taken as professional opinion. All standard disclaimers apply. :-)]

And look at all the medical studies that demonstrate the overall breakdown and/or transfer to body tissues and bloodstream are negligible. Even the amounts that are not immediately exhaled are unchanged when they are excreted/exhaled later (recall that CFCs have a molecular weight 120+, so some of the heavy gas can settle in the lungs for a while).

The burden of proof is on you that inhalation somehow removes the compounds from the system, since it doesn't do it via immobilization or destruction.

89 posted on 01/28/2006 4:15:23 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All
An interesting article:
The Impact of CFC-to-HFA Conversion: What Pharmacists Need to Know
90 posted on 01/28/2006 6:12:46 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: pepperdog
They have killed literally millions with the successful banning of DDT

More than all the death camps combined from Hitler.

91 posted on 01/29/2006 10:10:08 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: petitfour; goodnesswins
At a college chemistry lab.

I did. :-)

92 posted on 01/29/2006 10:14:54 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: ArmstedFragg
He's come to the conclusion that if it works best for you, then it works best, period. It doesn't matter if there's a cheaper alternative that's exactly the same chemically. That theory has led him to better outcomes and happier patients, but it drives insurance companies nuts.

FoFortunately my Doc does the same thing. I have found some meds (even though they say they are the same stuff) do not work or make matters worse in some cases.

One of them stopped me from being able to taste anything except a charcoal like taste for about three days. Ever eat charcoal ice-cream or macs&cheese? LOL! Drove me nuts. Also no matter where I was, I smelled smoke like the place was on fire. Very odd feeling.

93 posted on 01/29/2006 10:22:11 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: SheLion; All

Did you see this one yet? Talk about nanny state.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/money/content/shared-gen/ap/Finance_General/Insect_Red.html


94 posted on 01/29/2006 10:53:08 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Did you see this one yet? Talk about nanny state.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/money/content/shared-gen/ap/Finance_General/Insect_Red.html

The FDA plans to tackle the labeling of prescription drugs that include the colorings in a separate rule.

Well, Sudefed will fall under this then.  If it isn't taken off the market from the meth makers. heh!

95 posted on 01/29/2006 11:06:45 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: RadioAstronomer

When you read those prescribing instructions and they cite the studies done that show only three percent of patients had a negative response... just call me "three".

I can have no reaction whatsoever to a whole multitude of reasonably high side-effect drugs, and then proceed to light up like a Christmas tree on one low-problem drug. So your charcoal-taste experience doesn't sound at all odd to me.


96 posted on 01/29/2006 12:33:09 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

That one doesn't bother me very much. At least they aren't banning the crap, and they aren't caving in to CSPI, who, for all we know, may just want to gross out people.


97 posted on 01/29/2006 3:06:09 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Jack Murtha: America's best-known EX-marine)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am most upset.


98 posted on 01/29/2006 6:50:55 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Do the math: An asthmatic has trouble breathing. He/she takes a hit off a $20. inhaler....or incurs an $800. ambulance ride to the emergency room.


99 posted on 01/29/2006 6:52:33 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: imintrouble

God bless you! They used to cost alot of money and I didn't know that the price had come down. I am going to buy one!


100 posted on 01/30/2006 3:53:55 PM PST by ruoflaw
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