[MineralMan]

"So, you find a watch in the desert. Someone says that the arrangement and proper functioning of all the parts point to the idea it could only have been designed. You say, "No, no design, no designer. It only shows that they happened to form that kind of a watch.""

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Hmm...now show me a watch that mates with other watches, reproduces by creating infant watches that grow into adult watches. Further, show me this reproduction that is subject to minor alterations with each generation.

When you can do that, you can compare watches with living things. Until then, the watch has nothing to do with evolution or Intelligent Design.

Most creationists stopped using the watch example after the creationist websites said it was a bad example.

[BibChr]

Yes, you are a good illustration: the unwilling can never be convinced of anything. Benchmarks are easier to move than one's own heart.

Your atheism has nothing to do with facts, logic, or evidence. QED

Dan

[xzins]

Actually, the watch example has real possibilities.

In my lifetime, I've seen numerous changes in watches. Their production and reproduction arm has witnessed a need and opportunity to change and has produced quartz, silent, lcd, etc.

In all cases of change, the initiator of change was intelligent.

I have self-learning speech-writer that has been pre-programmed to adapt and increase its vocabulary.

Again, the initiator of changer was intelligent.