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Mexican soldiers' border crossings in legal limbo
The Daily Bulletin ^
| Jan 29, 2006
| Edward Barrera
Posted on 01/29/2006 11:18:24 AM PST by radar101
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:18:25 AM PST
by
radar101
To: radar101; HiJinx; SwinneySwitch
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:20:41 AM PST
by
Fiddlstix
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To: radar101
Well, presumably, since they appear to be part of the Mexican Army, they can lawfully be blown up with mortar shells and tank rounds.
If it turns out they were not really soldiers, maybe they will still get the idea that it is unwise to adopt such a disguise.
To: radar101
Seriously, we should have some marine recon units scattered along the border, ready to deal with this. Are these guys mafia in military garb? or Mexican Army contracting themselves to the mafia? In the end, it makes no difference.
Take them out.
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:24:27 AM PST
by
marron
To: radar101
"Law experts said the basic concept of international law is that every country is a sovereign nation, and that no other country can interfere or invade another's borders without permission."
Pancho Villa and Black Jack Pershing
'Cept in this case, it'll probably be US citizens doing the work the US government won't do.
To: Tench_Coxe
"The tricky question is whether they are acting in an official or unofficial capacity,"
As long as they wear the uniform; they should be presumed to be official.
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:31:37 AM PST
by
ARCADIA
(Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
To: marron
Right. Send some Recon units or Special Forces A-teams to the known areas and set up ambushes. After the smoke clears we'll have bodies and prisoners to verify the incursion. It really won't matter if they're Mexican Army or drug smugglers, people on both sides of the border will get the message.
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:32:17 AM PST
by
jazusamo
(A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
To: radar101
Where's the problem? Shoot them or arrest and hold them. If the Mexican government claims them back, then leave it to them to inform us whether they are rogue criminals or official invaders.
Let Vincente sort it out.
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:35:41 AM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: radar101
"They obviously made the wrong turn," Siskind said. "It's not a pattern that I'm aware of, and if it is true, then it's been a well-held secret."Listen, Delbert Dumbunny, whoever these latest guys were, they crossed over the Rio Grande, which defines the border between much of Texas and Mexico. They had to know that they were in the U.S. Moreover, they took up defensive positions to shield the smugglers they were protecting while they hauled their marijuana back South after being discovered. This was no, "Whoops, we should have hung a left on Avenida de la Playa" mistake.
We can settle the issue of "were they real military" by running the VIN of the hummer they abandoned and burned on the U.S. side. If it was sold to the Mexican government, we have our answer.
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:40:18 AM PST
by
John Jorsett
(scam never sleeps)
To: ARCADIA
"As long as they wear the uniform; they should be presumed to be official."
I agree. While wearing that uniform, they are representing the Mexican government. This should be a serious diplomatic issue, but the US government is trying to obfuscate it.
The question is, what is it going to take for Washington to take this issue seriously? The massacre of a group of American citizens? ( oh, wait. We had Waco, which was government sanctioned ).
To: Cicero
I agree with the concept but in reality the Border Patrol's handguns and shotguns are bad news in desert warfare against machine guns.
This will happen again--- and again--- as it has in the past.
What happens when the BP comes up against SOMEONE dressed as Mexican military, on the US side, with machine guns, and their cargo is a large box with biohazard symbols?
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posted on
01/29/2006 11:52:56 AM PST
by
Old Flat Toad
(Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
To: radar101
When the hell are we going to end this Kabuki theater with Mexico?
To: John Jorsett
We can settle the issue of "were they real military" by running the VIN of the hummer they abandoned and burned on the U.S. side. If it was sold to the Mexican government, we have our answer.
If I remember correctly from an earlier article the burned SUV was a stolen vehicle from El Paso. A few years ago there was a video done by a San Diego news show that showed Mexican police driving around in vehicles stolen from the US side of the border. The SUV's still had the California plates on them.
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posted on
01/29/2006 12:00:40 PM PST
by
digitalbrownshirt
(http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
To: ARCADIA
As long as they wear the uniform; they should be presumed to be official.And if we catch them out of unifrom, they should be shot as spies on the spot.
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posted on
01/29/2006 12:00:56 PM PST
by
pikachu
(I must be be built upside down -- my nose runs and my feet smell!)
To: Old Flat Toad
I agree that unless someone at the top gives an order to change the pattern, nothing is going to happen except a few more Americans killed.
Bush has gone out of his way to make nice with Vincente Fox. That made sense at first, after 70 years of PRI corruption, before Fox proved to be just more of the same.
Bush must realize that he has angered a lot of voters over the border issue, and unlike clinton I doubt whether Bush is getting paid off by the drug smugglers. Still, it's always easier not to stir up trouble if you can help it. It's a political reflex.
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posted on
01/29/2006 12:05:49 PM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: radar101
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posted on
01/29/2006 12:07:12 PM PST
by
Travis McGee
(--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
To: gubamyster
To: Tench_Coxe
Law experts said the basic concept of international law is that every country is a sovereign nation, and that no other country can interfere or invade another's borders without permission.This must only apply to the military and not to the citizens of Mexico, right?
To: radar101
The way to get them out of limbo is to capture (preferably) or kill a few. The Mexican government would then either have to claim them or disassociate from them. If the latter all future incursions would be treated as criminal acts. If the former they can be treated as a hostile invasion force.
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posted on
01/29/2006 12:25:39 PM PST
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: ARCADIA
"The tricky question is whether they are acting in an official or unofficial capacity," said Diane Marie Amann, professor of international law at the UC Davis School of Law. "If all they are doing is being bodyguards to criminals, then all they are are criminals to be dealt with under the U.S justice system." This is not tricky at all. If they are operating with the approval of corrupt government officials they will lie about it. Either way you will get the same answer.
The solution is quite simple. Be they civilian, and or army when they cross the border armed it is a military or para military invasion into our sovereign land. We should kill them the most efficient and economical way we can. We do not need a fence on the border except near the major crossing points. The rest of the border should be a well marked and sign posted mine field with a 500 meter wide free fire zone.
Before someone flames me for being and racist I would like to add my wonderful wife is from Mexico and I have great compassion for the people of Mexico. We need a rational policy of controlled immigration.
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posted on
01/29/2006 12:37:16 PM PST
by
cpdiii
(roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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