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To: furball4paws
"I cannot supply you with the name of a Creationist that has uncovered scientific fraud for the same reason you cannot - there is none."

What CAN be done, is to show fraud comitted by none other than Intelligengent Design Movement founder Phillip E Johnson:

The most serious specific allegation leveled by a number of critics is that Johnson is often intellectually dishonest in his arguments advancing intelligent design and attacking the scientific community. [14] [15] For example, he has been accused of numerous equivocations, particularly involving the term naturalism which can refer either to methodological naturalism or to philosophical naturalism. [16] [17]

In fact-checking Johnson's books Darwin on Trial and Defeating Darwinism, one reviewer discovered that almost every scientific source Johnson cited had been misused or distorted, from simple misinterpretations and innuendos to outright fabrications. The reviewer, Brian Spitzer, a professor of Biology, described Darwin on Trial the most deceptive book he had ever read. [18]


489 posted on 01/31/2006 8:45:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

We all know that the CR/ID people have a very bad, deservedly so, reputation in many areas - fraud, outright lies, perjury, etc. We see that in every crevo thread here.

But they retaliate by trying to smear Science as if that will make the mountains of evidence for evolution magically disappear.

Switching the spotlight to the frauds of CR/ID seems to make it a fight between who is worse and that is not fair to the thousands of honest scientists plying their trade every day.

I get tired of hearing how rampant scientific fraud is, something that is just a flat out lie. Objectively Science is one of the cleanest things around and it does a pretty good job of policing itself, as it should.

The tactic of trying to pull down science into the mud of lies and fraud of CR/ID is just plain dishonest and I'd like everyone to see it that way without throwing mud in the opposite direction, no matter how much it is deserved.


491 posted on 01/31/2006 8:59:48 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=Brian_Spitzer_criticizes_Johnson_response

You may want to do a little "fact-checking" yourself, Mr. Gonzalez.


507 posted on 02/01/2006 2:58:34 AM PST by mlc9852
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