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An Energy Revolution By Robert Zubrin An Energy Revolution
The American Enterprise ^ | January 30, 2006 | By Robert Zubrin

Posted on 01/31/2006 12:25:34 AM PST by truemiester

The world economy is currently running on a resource that is controlled by our enemies. This threatens to leave us prostrate. It must change—and the good news is that it can change, quickly.

Using portions of the hundreds of billions of petrodollars they are annually draining from our economy, Middle Easterners have established training centers for terrorists, paid bounties to the families of suicide bombers, and funded the purchase of weapons and explosives. Oil revenues underwrite new media outlets that propagandize hatefully against the United States and the West. They pay for more than 10,000 radical madrassahs set up around the world to indoctrinate young boys with the idea that the way to paradise is to murder Christians, Jews, and Hindus. It was men energized by oil-revenue resources who killed 3,000 American civilians on September 11, 2001, and who have continued to kill large numbers of Westerners in Iraq and elsewhere. We are thus subsidizing acts of war against ourselves.

And we have not yet reached the culmination of the process. Iran and other states are now

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alternativefuel; daydreams; enegry; ethanol; fantasy; india; leverage; methanol; ofalterativeenergy; oil
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To: jwpjr

"The most depressing thing about it is that our while our enemies have not only declared war on us but are vigorously waging that war about half the population our country refuses to recognize that we are at war."


Two words:

Open borders.

Seems like some people at the top are either BS'ing us regarding the WOT or they just don't give a damn.


21 posted on 01/31/2006 6:13:49 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: truemiester

ping for a later read


22 posted on 01/31/2006 6:38:23 AM PST by Toadman
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To: jonrick46

powerful bttt - read later file & PING!


23 posted on 01/31/2006 6:47:27 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: jwpjr
if we hope to avoid an escalating worldwide war with radical Muslims.

The point is not about avoiding the war. The war is inevitable, the moslems are commanded by their scriptures to fight against us until they win or die. The point is about winning that war.

24 posted on 01/31/2006 6:51:12 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Spirochete; All

that's a good question.

first off, I'm a layman, but I think one answer to your prompt would be - discussing the net efficiencies of petroleum seem to focus on the bang-for-buck at point of use - I think petroleum currently has more bang.

But part of that calculation for bang reflects the current high cost/low numbers of highly evolved technologies now existing for hydrogen usage - the oilheads compare the proven petroleum tech to the unproven (and not widespread/complicated, etc...) hydrogen tech and factor that into their calcs.

And one thing I've noticed; not one of the oil-heads EVER takes into account the energy/electrical loss in distributing the energy fm petroleum down through the infrastructure. Pipelines, ships, insurance costs, gas stations, electrical power plants, electrical lines, etc... all these cost energy to distribute.

why are not these factored into the oil Bang-4-Buck? Methinks it would then draw focus away from the current paradigm, which can be described as corporate model, or how can we maximize/discover new resource fields/increase efficiency in our current energy model (fields-derrick-transport-refinery-infrastructure delivery-user). People might start asking how the paradigm can be changed.

All the above steps have persons/companies/government with their hands out taking a bit of $$$ at each step. Witness: a barrel of oil - 45 gallons - costs the saudis, etc., roughly $4 to $7 to extract... yet we're paying $68.00 per barrel now, and how may gallons of gas do we get out of a 45 gallon barrel? I don't know what happens in the distillation process, am sure 2nd law of thermodynamics impacts, but don't have the data. But it must be making someone some money, 'cause it's costing us 3 bucks a gallon to fill up the tank.

Who knows? I'm sure there's a future for hydrogen, and sooner than we think. Finland is about 10 years into a 20 year plan designed to run their entire energy needs on hydrogen. Granted, that nation is a floating thermal steam valve, but the point is, it's inevitable.

I think the fear the corporations have is that if we discover how to harness hydrogen at the user level, there'll no longer be a need for all that 20th century industrial paradigm, the-corporation-is-GOD model.

Again, am but a layman, would love to hear from any freepers more knowledgeable than I on this.


25 posted on 01/31/2006 7:05:09 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: carl in alaska
I'll pass on the nuclear reactors, because they produce too much radioactive waste that has to be shipped across the country and disposed of safely somewhere for hundreds of years.

That so-called "waste" is actually a fuel source that can be safely reprocessed and recycled to produce usable energy for hundreds of years.

26 posted on 01/31/2006 7:05:32 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Spirochete
Why don't these authors ever discuss the net efficiencies of petroleum?

Petroleum has one advantage: it is actually a source of energy, unlike hydrogen.

H2 production is a net energy loss no matter how you slice it.

27 posted on 01/31/2006 7:10:43 AM PST by Monti Cello
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To: truemiester

One would have to study and confirm the accuracy and utility of the proposals given here before accepting them. The writer is a globalwarming exponent (at least he writes as one) and such people are noted for fantasy data.


28 posted on 01/31/2006 7:26:23 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: truemiester
We can do this by taking the world off the petroleum standard and putting it on an alcohol standard.

Sophistry. The alcohol standard is no different than the hydrogen standard. Both are manufactured fuels, except that alcohol is even less efficient than hydrogen. At least with hydrogen, you can crack it from water using nuclear power. All alcohol is is sunlight processed through a highly inefficient clorophyll manufacturing process.

29 posted on 01/31/2006 7:27:52 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Physicist

Coal mining and production produces more loose radiation annually than Nuclear plants in America and Europe ever have.


30 posted on 01/31/2006 7:28:53 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Monti Cello
H2 production is a net energy loss no matter how you slice it.

All fuels are a net energy loss. We don't gain energy from petroleum, we just don't have to eat the cost of creating it.

Petroleum suffers substantial losses in extracting, shipping, refining and delivery. Energy writers just won't mention them.

I'd like to see a comparison of net efficiencies of various fuel infrastructures, but these articles only show the H2 efficiencies.

31 posted on 01/31/2006 7:32:34 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: jwpjr
We've known for 40 years how dependent we are on our enemies for the very lifeblood of our economy.

For those same forty years our energy production has been crippled by our catering to those enemies and especially to their allies here in America, the environmentalists and socialists who yearn just as much for the defeat and destruction of America as the Saracens do.

32 posted on 01/31/2006 7:34:55 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: taxed2death
half the population our country refuses to recognize that we are at war."

They recognize the war. It seems otherwise because it is difficult for everyday Americans to understand that those people are on the other side. They are as engaged in this war as are the troops in Iraq.

33 posted on 01/31/2006 7:37:26 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Physicist
One possibility is to use nuke plants in a cogeneration setup. The high temperature steam left over from the generator turbine could be used to crack, say, coal, into synthetic fuels that could be used in place of gasoline and distillate without the compatibility issues of alcohols. Biomass could also be used as a feedstock for CO2 neutral fuels.
34 posted on 01/31/2006 7:44:44 AM PST by hedgie
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To: cannonball
Do you happen to know the overall thermal efficiency of a nuke power plant versus a fossil fueled plant?

They'll be comparable because they both use steam turbines to produce the electricity, although nuclear may be slightly better because it can operate at a higher temperature.

35 posted on 01/31/2006 7:56:35 AM PST by Physicist
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To: truemiester
I like it.

Related post:

Ethanol Can Replace Gasoline with Big Energy Savings (cellulosic ethanol is best)

36 posted on 01/31/2006 7:59:26 AM PST by cogitator
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To: arthurus
Don't you have to wonder when historians train their retrospectroscope on America to examine her in the late 20th and early 21st centuries what they will think of us? Assuming of course that there is a historian around in a few centuries to operate the scope! If Muslims have their way all of history will be according to them.

I have ceased to be amazed at how our enemies, within and without, have managed to quiet the voices of dissent that have seen what you and I see. I've gone from amazed to depressed.

Sigh....
37 posted on 01/31/2006 8:26:55 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: ThirstyMan
"I wish the Pres would make energy the focus of his SOTU speech tonight. If Iran stops production, if anything causes a panic in world petro markets we're back in recession."

I hope President Bush does focus on energy in his State of the Union.

As a side note, I just heard that scientist have finally put together the complete genome for the corn plant. This will enable advances that will make corn the ethanol producer we want.

38 posted on 01/31/2006 8:31:28 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: John O
re: The point is about winning that war.

Yes, you're right! And the sooner we take on the battle the better our chances of prevailing. History is replete with examples of countries, societies and civilizations that sought to appease their enemies and all the while the enemies were preparing to destroy them. Delay is on the side of the potential aggressor and against the would-be agressee.

If Iran is dangerous to control right now, imagine what it will be when they have access to nuclear weapons!

We are sailing into the perfect storm with respect to our enemies and if we don't get ready for rough sailing we will lose the ship.
39 posted on 01/31/2006 8:31:41 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr

Conservation is being worked on in all sectors, from changes in the lightbulb to the way industry runs machinery. The cost of energy must be encouraging better efficiencies.


40 posted on 01/31/2006 8:35:52 AM PST by jonrick46
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