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Mexico Army Likely Part of Border Incident
Sierra Times ^ | 1/31/2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/31/2006 5:27:41 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

EL PASO, Texas -- Suspected drug runners dressed in Mexican military-style uniforms who were involved in an armed confrontation with Texas lawmen were using a Mexican military-issue Humvee and weapons, the Hudspeth County sheriff said Friday.

"It was military," said Arvin West, whose officers were involved in the standoff. "Due to the pending congressional hearings I can't comment further."

West said the determination that the equipment was military-issue came from the federal government, but he wouldn't elaborate. A U.S. Army spokesman said he could not confirm West's statement, and the Mexican Foreign Relations Department said it would have no comment.

The Mexican government has denied that any soldiers were involved in the standoff that occurred Monday in a remote spot along the Rio Grande in West Texas. The smugglers escaped back across the border without a shot fired, abandoning more than a half-ton of marijuana as they fled.

Mexican officials have said the uniforms and other equipment could have been stolen.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and other officials have said they will seek hearings investigating such border incursions.

U.S. Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar, in El Paso Friday, said he could not rule out Mexican soldiers' involvement in the standoff at Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso.

In Mexico, kidnappers and drug smugglers regularly wear police gear, which is sold at street stands.

On Thursday, Mexico's foreign relations secretary suggested the smugglers may have been U.S. soldiers or American criminals disguised as Mexican troops.

Aguilar said he has spoken with his Mexican counterparts and was assured that an intense investigation is under way in Mexico.

A California newspaper reported this month that Mexican military units had crossed into the United States 216 times since 1996. It cited a Department of Homeland Security document, but department Secretary Michael Chertoff has said many of those incidents were just mistakes.

Also Friday, Aguilar said Border Patrol and other law enforcement are reporting that a new violent tactic is being used against them: "flaming rocks," rocks wrapped in cloth, dipped in gasoline, set on fire and thrown across the border.

Most of the incidents have happened near San Diego, and one officer has been injured, he said.

Authorities fear a deadly confrontation as attacks against Border Patrol agents increase. Last fiscal year there were 778 reported incidents, compared with 396 in 2004.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderattacks; borderincursions; borderpatrol; gringostayhome; immigrantlist; mexicanmilitary; mexicansstayout; mexicantroops; mexico
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"Due to the pending congressional hearings I can't comment further."

I can't speak for the rest of you, but I've had quite enough of our playing footsies with socialist Mexico!

1 posted on 01/31/2006 5:27:43 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

It's time to put some sharpshooters with scoped .50 BMG rifles out in these areas, to disable the vehicles when within our borders, for incontrovertible evidence.


2 posted on 01/31/2006 5:33:27 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I think he meant to say:

"Due to the pending congressional hearings cover-up I can't comment further"

3 posted on 01/31/2006 5:35:14 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: FreedomPoster

Exactly..shoot a few just to see whos working....oh and by the way..it might stop a few too


4 posted on 01/31/2006 5:35:57 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: FerdieMurphy

It's far past time for us to teach Mexico to respect us.


5 posted on 01/31/2006 5:37:03 AM PST by Theo
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To: FerdieMurphy

Put down the Zetas once and for all.


6 posted on 01/31/2006 5:37:10 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: gubamyster

ping


7 posted on 01/31/2006 5:37:58 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: FerdieMurphy
US Soldiers, Law Officers Snared In Border Drug Sting Los Angeles Times, May 13, 2005
By Ralph Vartabedian, Times Staff Writer
A brazen conspiracy among U.S. law enforcement officers and soldiers to smuggle cocaine from Mexico was disclosed Thursday by the Justice Department, adding to concerns that public corruption north of the border was growing.

Wearing uniforms and even driving U.S. military vehicles, 16 suspects were caught in a sting run by an FBI-led task force. Eleven entered guilty pleas Thursday in Tucson; the other five have agreed to do so soon.

US Soldiers, Law Officers Snared In Border Drug Sting

8 posted on 01/31/2006 5:38:10 AM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"...I've had quite enough of our playing footsies with socialist Mexico!"

Agreed! I emailed both the White House and GOP yesterday and voiced my disgust at their pampering of the issue. I told them the President should address the issue of border insecurity during his address tonight (yeah, right).

Congress must proceed on passing legislation for him to sign on the fence that was approved by the House;

Until a workable fence is erected, the National Guard should be placed on the border to insure our security and the lives and property of all who live there - with instructions to return fire and enter Mexico to capture all insurgents;

a commander of General rank should be installed over all border security issues (preferably one of John "Black Jack" Pershing's ilk.

In addition, another Freeper had the idea that armed swift boats patrol the Rio Grande with authorization to kill any insurgents who attempt to cross into the United States.

That should send a message!

9 posted on 01/31/2006 5:43:05 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: winston2
Interesting article. I vaguely remember reading that. In recent weeks there have been several articles posted about corruption by American border officials posted in Free Republic. I have taken to noticing the surnames of the officials involved and so far it is running 100% Hispanic. The article you posted is another good example:

An FBI spokeswoman said the Justice Department filed criminal informations on the defendants, which led to the guilty pleas. They also include: Robert L. Bakerx, 43; David M. Bustamante, 35; Joel P. Bustamante, 33; Jorge A. Calzadillas, 22; Demian F. Castillo, 33; Mark A. Fillman, 55; Jimmy L. Ford Jr., 29; Guillermo German, 36; Angel S. Hernandez, 31; Moises Hernandez, 21; Leslie B. Hidalgo, 24; John F. Manje, 36; Gladys C. Sanchez, 24; Angel M. Soto, 41; and Phillip Varona, 22.

A few of these folks might not be Hispanic (although I am Hispanic and my surname is Scottish) but the vast majority are.

The joys of multiculturalism and importing third world corruption.

10 posted on 01/31/2006 5:48:52 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: bcsco

"In addition, another Freeper had the idea that armed swift boats patrol the Rio Grande with authorization to kill any insurgents who attempt to cross into the United States."


Swift boating Mexico!! Can you imagine the outcry from the left if we were to so much as scratch an insurgent?


11 posted on 01/31/2006 5:51:34 AM PST by JZelle
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To: FerdieMurphy
In the early 1990s, however, pay scales for junior officers were described as so low--about US$300 a month--that moonlighting was accepted as necessary to maintain an adequate standard of living.

Is it any wonder the Mexican Army is rife with corruption? I haven’t found a recent pay scale, but I doubt things have changed much. I also doubt the Mexican government really cares – if the cartels will supplement military pay their government saves money.

12 posted on 01/31/2006 5:51:37 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and other officials have said they will seek hearings investigating such border incursions.

Hearings? We're being invaded by a foreign government, and he's calling for hearings? Gimmee a major break. President Bush ought to to be on the phone with Fox to say, "If your guys do that again, my men have standing orders to open fire, and confiscate the bodies for positive identification."

13 posted on 01/31/2006 5:53:35 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: FreedomPoster
Re: It's time to put some sharpshooters with scoped .50 BMG rifles out in these areas, to disable the vehicles when within our borders, for incontrovertible evidence.

Now, that is a hell of an good idea!

14 posted on 01/31/2006 5:55:07 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Bender2

UAV's with Hellfires could cover a much larger area.


15 posted on 01/31/2006 5:57:45 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: JZelle
"...Can you imagine the outcry from the left if we were to so much as scratch an insurgent?"

Yeah, I'd love it! Maybe we could invite some of them down for a swim.

16 posted on 01/31/2006 5:57:55 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: FerdieMurphy

It's an act of war. I'd say, call 'em on it. Round up all the enemy nationals (read illegals) and deport every last sorry body of them.


17 posted on 01/31/2006 5:59:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: FreedomPoster
I volunteer.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

18 posted on 01/31/2006 6:03:10 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"On Thursday, Mexico's foreign relations secretary suggested the smugglers may have been U.S. soldiers"

O.K., with that view I'm sure that Presidente Vicente and his foreign relations hacks will have no problem if we shoot to kill in the future when faced with similar incursions.

With stories like this and the drug-smuggling tunnel, when I hear Mexican officials dictate to us that we can't build a border fence, I say build it twice as deep, twice as high, twice as thick, and twice as long. The more fence between these thugs and me, the better I feel.


19 posted on 01/31/2006 6:05:54 AM PST by reelfoot
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To: Bender2; Joe Brower

>> Now, that is a hell of an good idea!

Too good to ever be implemented, I fear.

And I volunteer as well, JB.


20 posted on 01/31/2006 6:21:16 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: reelfoot
American soldiers, a carefully selected corps of 5 foot tall Latinos, swam across the Rio Grande and stole Mexican Army uniforms and Humvees. Then, in a crafty move, they picked up seven tons of pot on a Juarez backstreet and floated it across the same river on pontoons, stolen from the Mexican Navy...
Then the fun began.
21 posted on 01/31/2006 6:30:33 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Suspected drug runners dressed in Mexican military-style uniforms who were involved in an armed confrontation with Texas lawmen were using a Mexican military-issue Humvee and weapons, the Hudspeth County sheriff said Friday.

What DIFFERENCE did it make if they were wearing Mexican Army uniforms or standing there stark-assed naked?

If they shoot at us, SHOOT BACK!

'International incident' be damned!

22 posted on 01/31/2006 6:31:16 AM PST by MamaTexan (If fences 'serve no purpose', WHY is every capitol building in the country surrounded by one?)
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To: bcsco

Swift Boats! have you seen the Rio Grande? You would be better off partoling the Rio Grande with ATV's, at certain times of the year it is only inches deep at best. The farmers in New Mexico have been diverting most of the water for years. It is not much of a river. That is one reason it is so easy to cross.


23 posted on 01/31/2006 6:48:39 AM PST by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: savedbygrace
Hearings? We're being invaded by a foreign government, and he's calling for hearings?

Cornyn's not fooling anybody, he's opposed to a fence and wants to keep the borders open. Hearings are a cozy little way of sweeping everything under the rug while pretending to do something.

24 posted on 01/31/2006 7:05:22 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

You are absolutely right. I've written him snail-mail letters on this issue and friends of mine have done so too, he has no excuse. What did he do, wake up yesterday and find that he was in Texas, does he live in a vacuum?

More posturing. Ditto for Kay Bailey Hutchison, everyone's favorite gal doncha know... Notice how quiet they are?

Gov. Perry doesn't need DC's permission to secure our border, we have the Texas Guard and other LE agencies, no, it's cowardice, called lack of leadership.


25 posted on 01/31/2006 7:14:26 AM PST by brushcop (Mission Accomplished B-Co, 2/69 3d ID! God bless you and WELCOME HOME!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"A California newspaper reported this month that Mexican military units had crossed into the United States 216 times since 1996."

Well, it would appear as though it was to attend church services, since Washington is not upset by their presence in our country...


26 posted on 01/31/2006 7:23:12 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: brushcop

At least Kay Bailey Hutchison has publicly stated she might back the fence. But I think for those who won't comment on what's going on it comes down to wanting to keep that cheap labor flowing in and they'd prefer the bad publicity of foreign militaries on our soil went away.


27 posted on 01/31/2006 7:28:07 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Theo
I don't know how we could expect any better from Mexico.

We've put up with Castro for over forty years and our (hemi)sphere of influence is riddled with communist governments AGAIN.

No one in our government knows what the Monroe Doctrine was, we gave away the strategically important Panama Canal (thanks to Jimmie Pinko Kahtah and the complicit RepublicRATs), but we are bringing "freedom" to Iraq while our big trading buddies the communist Chinese have every missile they own pointing in our direction.

Iran keeps busy with their "peaceful" nuclear program and that pile of excrement known as North Korea keeps giving us the finger....and we take it!

28 posted on 01/31/2006 7:33:43 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: winston2
Eleven entered guilty pleas Thursday in Tucson...

I remember this incident. What's been happening to these criminals during the past eight months?

29 posted on 01/31/2006 7:35:34 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: bcsco
Right-O!

If we had a leader who wasn't interested in teeing off American citizens who have Mexican ties, we'd do something really significant like closing our embassy (our ambassador would have to bring his Mexican wife to the US) and kicking their ambassador out of the country.

30 posted on 01/31/2006 7:39:02 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
...she might back the fence.

And pigs might fly.

31 posted on 01/31/2006 7:42:57 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: savedbygrace
" President Bush ought to to be on the phone with Fox to say, 'If your guys do that again, my men have standing orders to open fire, and confiscate the bodies for positive identification.'"

He can do it in person during their usual poker night on Friday.

32 posted on 01/31/2006 7:43:27 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: FerdieMurphy

Unfortunately, it just may be a shooting war with Mexico is the only thing which will entice our government to take real steps to close our border to this ongoing invasion.


33 posted on 01/31/2006 8:04:36 AM PST by Gritty (“Palestinians are so depraved they're electing candidates on the basis of child sacrifice-Mark Steyn)
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To: FerdieMurphy

bttt


34 posted on 01/31/2006 8:24:30 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Also Friday, Aguilar said Border Patrol and other law enforcement are reporting that a new violent tactic is being used against them: "flaming rocks," rocks wrapped in cloth, dipped in gasoline, set on fire and thrown across the border.

This must be the result of the "don't fight back" policy.

35 posted on 01/31/2006 8:26:05 AM PST by i.l.e. (Tagline - this space for sale....)
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To: Gritty
We can only wonder about how many muslim terrorists have slouched across our border intermingled with the Mexican and other SA countries' illegals.

Thanks RepublicRAT Party for listening to the base that continues to reelect you term after term after term.

36 posted on 01/31/2006 8:49:37 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Gritty
Unfortunately, it just may be a shooting war with Mexico is the only thing which will entice our government to take real steps to close our border to this ongoing invasion.

Unfortunately, even then, one or two deaths will just be shushed up if at all possible by Bush, McVain, the OBL and a willing MSM.

"accident..." "misunderstanding..." "thier own fault..."

37 posted on 01/31/2006 9:11:20 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: BubbaBobTX
"Swift Boats! have you seen the Rio Grande?"

The last time I was down along the Rio Grande in Texas was back in the 1970's. So no, I haven't seen it lately.

ATV's sounds good to me, as long as they're backed up by Bradley's and M-1's.

38 posted on 01/31/2006 9:11:42 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"...we'd do something really significant like closing our embassy (our ambassador would have to bring his Mexican wife to the US) and kicking their ambassador out of the country."

Sounds good to me.

39 posted on 01/31/2006 9:13:05 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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bttt


40 posted on 01/31/2006 12:11:46 PM PST by Pa' fuera (I support family reunification.......through deportation)
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To: FreedomPoster

"It's time to put some sharpshooters with scoped .50 BMG rifles out in these areas, to disable the vehicles when within our borders, for incontrovertible evidence."

And while we're at it, let's "disable" more than a few of the occupants/drivers!


41 posted on 01/31/2006 12:30:39 PM PST by Spottys Spurs
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To: FerdieMurphy
Eleven entered guilty pleas Thursday in Tucson...
I remember this incident. What's been happening to these criminals during the past eight months?

post #10 from - jackbenimble gives a hint.

42 posted on 01/31/2006 5:10:15 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"A California newspaper reported this month that Mexican military units had crossed into the United States 216 times since 1996. It cited a Department of Homeland Security document, but department Secretary Michael Chertoff has said many of those incidents were just mistakes."

How many chances do they get to get it right?

Here's and idea, the Iraqi's have been "slow" in getting up to speed with new Army and Police units. Bring them over and let them practice on our border. If Bush won't let our Military take care of his Constitutional duties then let the Iraqi's do it.

43 posted on 01/31/2006 5:14:08 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: JZelle

Sorry but most of the RG is ankle deep, except of course where's it's not (lol). I like Apache's better they can chase them down.


44 posted on 01/31/2006 5:16:35 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: winston2
post #10 from - jackbenimble gives a hint.

Not really.

45 posted on 02/02/2006 4:56:36 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy
post #10 from - jackbenimble gives a hint.

Not really.

You don't think that a high percentage of Hispanic sir names amongst the list of U.S. soldiers and law officials helps explain why 16 of them were involved in smuggling cocaine over the Mexican / U.S. border?

46 posted on 02/02/2006 5:06:48 AM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
There are 2 large reservoirs on the border. Are these lake patrolled by both countries? I've heard a lot of stories from fishermen about Mexicans coming across the lake and robbing them blind.
47 posted on 02/02/2006 5:14:57 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: FerdieMurphy

48 posted on 02/02/2006 5:19:46 AM PST by Dewy (1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;)
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To: winston2
...a high percentage of Hispanic sir names...

Like Sir Vincente Fox?

49 posted on 02/02/2006 2:22:56 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy
...a high percentage of Hispanic sir names... Like Sir Vincente Fox?

Oh please oh grammar god,

Can you ever forgive my misspelled word.

sur?

50 posted on 02/02/2006 6:44:09 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity.)
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