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Gunmaker scaling back
Ledger-Enquirer (Columbus, GA) ^ | 1/30/06 | TONY ADAMS

Posted on 01/31/2006 12:39:01 PM PST by kiriath_jearim

Posted on Mon, Jan. 30, 2006

Gunmaker scaling back

BY TONY ADAMSStaff Writer

When German gunmaker Heckler & Koch showed up in Columbus more than two years ago, it had big plans for becoming one of the city's major local companies.

On the drawing board was a 100,000-square-foot manufacturing facility, a $25 million capital investment and at least 200 high-paying jobs -- maybe more. Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue even visited Columbus to attend a groundbreaking at Muscogee Technology Park, the industrial area off Macon Road where H&K was supposed to construct its large facility.

But Sterling, Va.-based Heckler & Koch (pronounced "coke") had to scale back its strategy in a major way after learning last October that the U.S. military had cancelled competitive bidding for the next-generation assault rifle. H&K was hoping to land a lucrative contract with the government to replace its 40-year-old M4 carbine and M16 rifle.

Now the company is regrouping in Columbus, forgoing construction of a large plant for an existing 13,170-square-foot building near Columbus East Industrial Park off Macon Road. The structure, formerly used by Cessna Aircraft, is the U.S. distribution center for H&K's 80 models of weapons and accessories.

Peter Simon, H&K executive vice president for programs and government relations, in an interview last week, was cautious in his remarks about the company's downsized fortunes. He knows offending someone in the military's supply chain could harm H&K's chances of landing a huge contract.

Still, he said it has been tough watching the XM8 assault rifle developed by his company -- and generally applauded by soldiers testing it in the field -- get shot down in the bidding process.

"I'm disappointed that the program has not proceeded through a procurement stage, and because we have not had the opportunity to compete," said Simon, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel. "From our point of view, we contracted with the United States Army to develop a certain capability and we fulfilled that contract." Sticking points in the process include the demand by other manufacturers that the bidding be wide open and that H&K not have an advantage because it developed the weapon. Col. Michael Smith, former weapons program manager at Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey, commented during an XM8 live-fire demonstration at Fort Benning 14 months ago that the developing company often receives the contract ultimately.

"He's got it locked," Smith said of weapon developers. "He understands exactly how to build it. No one's ever going to build it better than he can." There also is the matter of the U.S. defense budget, which topped $400 million in 2005. Congressional committees and the Department of Defense are currently taking a critical look at military spending. A number of defense experts are betting there will be cuts in current and future weapons programs.

Weapons program still alive

Lt. Col. Tim Chyma, Smith's successor at Picatinny Arsenal, said the current conflict in the Middle East was the driving factor behind putting the brakes on the assault rifle bidding. Last May, he said, bidding was started after the U.S. Army decided to add a light machine gun capability to the new rifle.

But by May, the decision was made to suspend the process and rethink what is technically being called the "objective individual combat weapon" program. The military, Chyma said, then stopped the process completely in October.

"Right now, the Army is reassessing and re-evaluating its priorities for weapons, as well as the (weapons) requirements based on the stuff coming out of the field," he said.

That includes doing post-combat surveys of soldiers as they leave hot zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. The military wants to know what is working in the heat of battle and what isn't, particularly in urban settings, Chyma said.

"It's a matter of, hey, let's make sure we're doing the right thing before we proceed; make sure we capture everything and then we'll move forward," he said. Chyma insists the assault rifle program has not been shelved. Yet, he also doesn't have a feel for how long it might take to get the next-generation rifle into the hands of soldiers and U.S. Marines. Asked if that moment could come within five years, he replied, "That's a reasonable timeline."

"The big thing is just understanding it will be a competitive process," he said. "A full and open competition is the approach."

The M16 has been in the military's arsenal since 1964, making it one of the longest-running weapon programs in U.S. defense history. It has undergone modifications through the years. But Simon said the time has come to give troops something better, be it H&K's XM8 design or someone else's.

"I think that there are a number of manufacturers that have products either in their inventory right now or under development that represent an advancement over the current legacy systems," he said.

Until the military pulls the trigger on large contracts, a major expansion in Columbus will have to wait. The 13,170-square-foot distribution center -- although it will handle between $15 million and $20 million in weapons and accessories this year -- is a far cry from the 100,000-square-foot behemoth plant the company was hoping to construct. The seven employees there now are nowhere near the 200-plus workers pledged by Heckler & Koch at its October 2003 groundbreaking at Muscogee Technology Park.

"All of that planning was based on the program that the Army was pursuing for the development of the XM8 and fielding it," he said. "We have, obviously, had to significantly adjust our expansion plans."

Columbus Mayor Bob Poydasheff expressed disappointment that the XM8 has yet to lead to a huge contract for H&K and more than 200 jobs for city residents. But he said recent job announcements, including Aflac's 2,000-employee expansion -- on top of Fort Benning picking up thousands of troops and civilian workers over the next four years -- have eased the pain.

"Now that there's going to be a distribution center, it's not going to take too much of a jump (for H&K) to create and modify a portion it for manufacturing, which would then employ the 200 some odd people," he said.

Room to expand

Heckler & Koch is working on plans to turn about 5,000 square feet of the distribution center space into a manufacturing facility, Simon said. The company -- not the military -- still retains the rights to the XM8 design. He declined to say if H&K is shopping it around to other potential customers.

Richard Grantham, operations manager at the Columbus distribution center, will be the person heading that possible expansion. The distribution center, open since October, was relocated from Virginia, where it had been 16 years.

Grantham said the center has enough room to expand its walls by another 10,000 square feet if need be. That would mean investments in new equipment and the addition of several workers. It's simply a matter of landing a big contract -- although it really isn't all that simple.

"It's a different business when you're talking about dealing with the government," he said. "We've got so many government agencies and regulations, it's not like you can go in and sell paperclips. It was a learning experience for everybody."

The distribution center, which is surrounded by heavyweight fencing and uses alarms and security systems to control access, is steadily funneling pistols and rifles through it. On Friday, a box of ammunition magazines sat on the dock floor, bound for troops fighting in Afghanistan.

Last month, Heckler & Koch used a range at Fort Benning to test out a new grenade launcher it will market. The company also is setting up its Columbus facility to serve as a weapon repair center.

"It's all dealing with the government contracts," Grantham said. "If we receive government contracts, we're in the position where we can grow and expand in a very fast fashion."


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1 posted on 01/31/2006 12:39:02 PM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Buy SWB stock!


2 posted on 01/31/2006 12:40:30 PM PST by samadams2000 (Remember our Founding Fathers were REAL men- Unlike today's Rinos)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
Well, if HK is really hard up for money, they can always start making the HK91 and 94 again. Or how about a civilian version of the XM8, since they own the rights? Or a civilian version of the MP7?

Unlike FN, HK has been notably recalcitrant in manufacturing so-called "assault weapons" for the U.S. market since the ban ended over a year ago. FN is doing well here. HK could learn from their example.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

3 posted on 01/31/2006 12:51:40 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: samadams2000


Glad I dumped my HK-91A2 for $2,500.
Cetme has a clone for under $300.


4 posted on 01/31/2006 12:52:33 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Joe Brower

Would you really want an XM8?


5 posted on 01/31/2006 12:56:16 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: samadams2000

SWB?


6 posted on 01/31/2006 12:58:40 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Joe Brower
Well, if HK is really hard up for money, they can always start making the HK91 and 94 again.
7 posted on 01/31/2006 12:59:05 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: kiriath_jearim

I have a USP .40 that I really like. H&K makes a fine firearm. What I wouldn't give for an MP5!


8 posted on 01/31/2006 12:59:44 PM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: Durus

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/xm8-poster.jpg

Not me, really. But only cuz I think it looks funny ;-p


9 posted on 01/31/2006 1:00:13 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: samadams2000
Buy SWB stock!

I bought a bunch of it back when the company changed hands. Got it for $.77 cents a share.
I just checked and it's at $4.53 per share as I'm typing this.......
Not bad at all.

10 posted on 01/31/2006 1:00:46 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: kiriath_jearim
"... hey, let's make sure we're doing the right thing before we proceed;"

Well now, THERE's a novel idea coming from the military!

Is it possible they're learning that the .308 is a better caliber for sniper rifles than .223 or smaller?

11 posted on 01/31/2006 1:01:23 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Rummyfan
SWB?

Smith & Wesson

12 posted on 01/31/2006 1:03:36 PM PST by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: Durus
"Would you really want an XM8?"

Not as my main "go-to" gun, but just for the fun of owning one? Certainly.

At least it would be a lot easier to feed than that FN PS90 (with the Picatinny rail) I'm on the waiting list for...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

13 posted on 01/31/2006 1:04:46 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower
"a civilian version of the MP7"

Why don't they do that? I'd like one of those, too...

14 posted on 01/31/2006 1:08:38 PM PST by Texas dog
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To: Joe Brower
Well, if HK is really hard up for money, they can always start making the HK91 and 94 again.

It's 2006, why go with 1950's technology? There are a half dozen military rifles I'd like to be able to get my hands on, but the HK9x series aren't among them. Heck, there are already thousands of clones available at bargain basement prices. Guns I'd like to be able to buy are: Sig 55x, Tavor, FNC, QBZ 95, FN SCAR, XCR.

15 posted on 01/31/2006 1:11:52 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: Joe Brower

Well...my list of "fun to own" guns is far longer then my list of guns that I would actually spend (my) money on. The XM8 wasn't my type of rifle but if I became disgustingly wealthy, and I still had money leftover from buying the things I really wanted, I might have bought a couple.


16 posted on 01/31/2006 1:12:29 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Joe Brower

The more firearms ~ the better!


17 posted on 01/31/2006 1:13:41 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: elmer fudd
Hey, that list of yours reads a lot like that list of mine! $:-)

I have a buddy who has a beautiful FNC in mint condition. It has to win the prize for "highest empty brass ejection velocity" -- I was off to his right when he was shooting offhand one day and I still have the scars. $;-)

18 posted on 01/31/2006 1:15:20 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Space Wrangler

I have a USC .45 carbine. MP5 would be a lot more fun.


19 posted on 01/31/2006 1:17:31 PM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource the US Senate to Mexico! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: Space Wrangler
Ask an ye shall receive. I'm not a big fan on 9 milli sub guns but....this one was a dream to shoot.
20 posted on 01/31/2006 1:18:52 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: kiriath_jearim

I am not up on the XM8. What caliber would it be in? Is it any good?


21 posted on 01/31/2006 1:24:46 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Redbob
They are using the 308 and 300 Win Mags right now in Iraq. People seem to think that the only firearm our military has are M-16's in one version or another. There are also a lot of shotguns being used by our troops for clearing houses.
I'm a rifle smith, and the scuttlebutt I hear is that they are opting for a larger caliber in our next battle rifle. I'm hearing everything from 6.2MM to 8MM based on a shortened version of the old 32 Rem rimless case. This new standard, larger caliber, is something from the returning troops and would explain the delay and rethinking of things.
22 posted on 01/31/2006 1:29:06 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: kiriath_jearim
Time to ramp up production of the M14 again. Still the best ... time to get the Springfield Armory up to speed making a few thousand a week.
23 posted on 01/31/2006 1:31:30 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The structure, formerly used by Cessna Aircraft, is the U.S. distribution
center for H&K's 80 models of weapons and accessories.


Interesting intersection of two industries that trial lawyers have
tried to drive from the face of the earth.
24 posted on 01/31/2006 1:36:45 PM PST by VOA
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To: kiriath_jearim

I suspect this has more to do with the late acknowledgement that the .223 and 9mm rounds suck than anything directly attributable to H&K.


25 posted on 01/31/2006 1:41:16 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Joe Brower

Too late on the 91... The patent ran out long ago and JDL bought the H&K factory equipment from the Portugese Government and is producing the PTR91, a great rifle. It is on the market starting at about $800 and topping off at $1300 with the retractable stock & heavy barrel.


26 posted on 01/31/2006 1:46:11 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Westlander

You haven't priced the Century CETMEs lately...

Century ran out of CETME parts for the clones and the price has jumped to around $450 plus for NIB CETMEs.


27 posted on 01/31/2006 1:47:57 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Durus

Soldiers who've fired it (MANY of them) have expressed an overwhelmingly positive attitude about the weapon. Lighter, agile, and very reliable.

However, the XM-8 was not sufficiently different (same caliber - although it could be rebarreled in 6.8mm, same basic functionality) to warrant a wholesale replacement of the M-16/M-4. Really, it's not that much different from the already excellent HK G-36 series.

The FN SCAR is coming out soon and will make civilian sales sometime this year (hopefuly). I'd get an XM-8 if they offered it (they'd have to make it here because of import restrictions).


28 posted on 01/31/2006 1:51:27 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Redbob

I've been contending for years a .25 cal. like the .243 would be a great compremise battle round...


29 posted on 01/31/2006 1:52:06 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: MaDuce

M-14s are pretty nice.
I sold my M1A to fund other rifles, though.

However, .308 rifles based on the M-16 platform (Armalite AR-10 and Stoner's SR-25) are receiving much more positive receptions. Similar ergonomics and more accurate than the M-14. Also tons more pricey. And don't get me started about Springfield's cast receivers. LRW makes the best new forged receiver, but it's a wait and $1400 minimum.

Too bad Bill Clinton exported THOUSANDS of M-14's to our "allies", and these rifles can never be reimported for civilian use.


30 posted on 01/31/2006 1:55:41 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Space Wrangler

True. I remember hearing something about you can buy one in ga.


31 posted on 01/31/2006 2:00:45 PM PST by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: Joe Brower
I thought HK didn't like selling to Civvies? "We civilians don't need that kind of firepower" type BS...

Screw 'em. Let 'em flounder until they figure it out.

32 posted on 01/31/2006 2:00:54 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Space Wrangler

HK USP40 bump


33 posted on 01/31/2006 2:03:48 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero)
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To: kiriath_jearim
There also is the matter of the U.S. defense budget, which topped $400 million in 2005

Missed a decimal point there somewhere, I'd guess the US military spent over 400 million on copier supplies.

34 posted on 01/31/2006 2:09:19 PM PST by Fido969 ("Everybody out of the pool!")
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To: elmer fudd
I remember back in the late 80's holding a brand new Belgian FNC with folding stock at my local gunstore and liking it a lot. They wanted maybe $800 for it, which I thought was excessive at the time. I'd wait until the price came down.

Boy was I stupid.

35 posted on 01/31/2006 2:11:31 PM PST by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. -Sun Tzu)
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To: Dead Corpse
"I thought HK didn't like selling to Civvies?"

They don't, which was my point. If they have a money problem, they need to re-think their position. If not, let the market decide their fate.

36 posted on 01/31/2006 2:24:39 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: samadams2000
Buy SWB stock!

Who ??

37 posted on 01/31/2006 2:37:00 PM PST by Centurion2000 (SUPPORT THE DANES! BURN A KORAN!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Good afternoon.
"I thought HK didn't like selling to Civvies?"

This is off topic, but does anyone remember a .223 semi auto rifle made by HK for the civilian market in the 1980s?

I could be wrong about the manufacturer but I remember it looking like a Gew-43. I can't find anything on it.

Michael Frazier
38 posted on 01/31/2006 2:37:43 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
I had an HK SL6 which was in .223. It had a wood stock but functioned just like the HK-93 except the operating handle was not on the left side of the barrel but was on the bolt.

Mine was uncommonly accurate, in fact more accurate than most bolt actions.

I sold it around 1987 while I was in grad school and needed the money. Wish I had it back although mine came with a five round clip and high capacity ones were hard to find.

39 posted on 01/31/2006 3:06:05 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Fiddlstix
I got in around $1.90 several years ago, and added to my position to get an average of around $1.35/share....

In March of last year, it hit 2.74, and then fell like a rock. When it hit $2, I sold off 90% of my stock, afraid I was going to lose all my profits....

So you have me to thank for the rebound it IMMEDIATELY did.... If I hadn't sold, it would've fallen to 4¢! ha ha.

40 posted on 01/31/2006 3:12:46 PM PST by mwyounce
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To: yarddog
Good afternoon.
"I had an HK SL6 which was in .223."

That's the one. I'm sorry never got to handle one. I'm glad to hear that it was accurate. Was it reliable and is it still marketed?

Michael Frazier
41 posted on 01/31/2006 3:14:04 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
I haven't seen one in some time so I would guess it is no longer being made.

Yes, it was totally reliable, never had the sense it would ever jam.

42 posted on 01/31/2006 3:16:37 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Dead Corpse

I just think it's hard for German companies to adjust to all the different rules in the USA. The fact that it's 50 states and the gun laws are different in each of them. For a while it was pretty easy to buy select fire versions of the MP-9 and stuff. Then it became impossible. The AWB scared a lot of vendors. The Cali AWB did too, as it's the biggest single state.

I like the HK's USP pistols too. But then I like Smith&Wssons and Kimbers and Rugers and Berettas and SIGs and CZ's too. Most of those companies don't make much true military hardward (ie: full auto stuff) so don't even have to think about it.

HK is privately held. This does allow them more independence than public companies. They never signed a consent decree that I am aware of, and haven't put lots of retrofitted parts that Chuckie and Hillary want on all their guns, unlike some of the companies listed above.

Like the man said: "youse pays your money and takes youse choice"


43 posted on 01/31/2006 3:16:41 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: mwyounce
Consider yourself thanked J

Considering the price I bought it (77 cents) I haven't been too concerned with the ups and downs of it.
If it ever dropped below $1.00 I might sell.

44 posted on 01/31/2006 3:22:03 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: kiriath_jearim
The Barrett 6.8 Rem SPC cartridge has been in military evaluation for some time


45 posted on 01/31/2006 4:22:48 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Where is the SCAR being built?


46 posted on 01/31/2006 5:38:19 PM PST by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses, rifles for sister sarah)
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To: Lancer_N3502A
MP5 is also available - to LE/Military - in 10mm Auto.

That, and the UMP .45, are the ultimate SMGs.

47 posted on 01/31/2006 5:42:20 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

Thanks for torturing a fellow with some raunchy gun porn! ;>))


48 posted on 01/31/2006 6:34:43 PM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: Joe Brower
Or how about a civilian version of the XM8,

They do offer a semi-auto version of the G36, which the XM8 is more or less based on.

G-36.

SL-8 semi-auto.

That's with a nuetered magazine design, because BATF ruled, under the Impeached One, that guns able to accept a >10 round magazine could not be imported, even if no such magazine had ever been imported. So H&K had to change the design a little so it could not accept the G-36 magazine. Hopefully they are now able to import the version that can.

49 posted on 01/31/2006 9:25:29 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Too bad Bill Clinton exported THOUSANDS of M-14's to our "allies", and these rifles can never be reimported for civilian use.

They couldn't anyway under the "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" policy of the BATFE, even that's nowhere in the law, just the regs. Parts could be though.

Worse though is that Clinton sent many M-14s, parts and all, to Captain Krunch, which crushed them. They are likely rebar or chicken wire now.

50 posted on 01/31/2006 9:31:28 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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