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Danger Zone - (Haleigh Poutre)
National Review ^ | February 01, 2006 | Wesley J, Smith

Posted on 02/01/2006 7:29:10 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida

In the court (and courts) of life and death, a little 11-year-old Massachusetts girl named Haleigh Poutre could be the next Terri Schiavo. For those who have not heard the tragic story, Haleigh was beaten nearly to death last September, allegedly by her adoptive mother and stepfather. The beating left her unconscious and barely clinging to life.

Within a week or so of the beating, her doctors had written her off. They apparently told Haleigh's court-appointed guardian, Harry Spence, that she was "virtually brain dead." Even though he had never visited her, Spence quickly went to court seeking permission to remove her respirator and feeding tube. The court agreed, a decision affirmed recently by the supreme court of Massachusetts.

And so, no doubt with the best of intentions, a little girl who had already suffered so much was stripped by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts of even the chance to fight to stay alive. If she didn't stop breathing when the respirator was removed, which doctors expected, she would slowly dehydrate to death.

Close Call

Then came the unexpected:

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: childabuse; dehydratnfla; dontfeedtrolls; euthanasia; flstarvestate; gallagher4guv; haileypoutre; haleighpoutre; justicevseuthanasia; massachusetts; starvnfla; stopflmurders; tedstith; terridailies; terridailiesfeb; terrischiavo; terrischindler; wesleyjsmith
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1 posted on 02/01/2006 7:29:12 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Ohioan from Florida
..you left off the kicker:


2 posted on 02/01/2006 7:32:59 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: 8mmMauser; amdgmary; BykrBayb; cgk; Mr. Silverback; Coleus

Ping. Does anyone know if someone has a Haleigh Poutre ping list?


3 posted on 02/01/2006 7:34:03 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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....and...

4 posted on 02/01/2006 7:34:33 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

There is a huge difference between this story and Schiavo. But you all know that.


5 posted on 02/01/2006 7:34:40 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

very good article Ohioan!!


6 posted on 02/01/2006 7:35:03 AM PST by Halls (Dallas County, Texas, but my heart is in East Texas!)
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To: mnehrling

I didn't know where was a good place to end the excerpt. My apologies.


7 posted on 02/01/2006 7:35:08 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Michelle Malkin has been writing about her:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004337.htm
8 posted on 02/01/2006 7:35:17 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Don't apologize.. I thought it made it more dramatic.
9 posted on 02/01/2006 7:35:56 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Hildy

what's the difference? She is alive, brain damaged, and still some want to dehydrate her to death!


10 posted on 02/01/2006 7:36:01 AM PST by Halls (Dallas County, Texas, but my heart is in East Texas!)
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To: Hildy

Of course there are differences, and there are similarities. But you all know that.


11 posted on 02/01/2006 7:36:19 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: mnehrling

Then maybe I did excerpt it in the right place! I just want people to read the whole thing, and I would have posted the whole article, but I'm not up on all the posting article rules, and I don't want FR to get in trouble with copyright stuff.


12 posted on 02/01/2006 7:38:14 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
The sad part is how little media attention this is getting, nothing from Hannity or OReilly, who were all over the Schivo case.
This seems more obvious to me, she is awake and aware, there isn't even a chance of questioning if she is 'brain dead' as was in Terry's case.
13 posted on 02/01/2006 7:38:40 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Hildy
There is a huge difference between this story and Schiavo

The huge difference is that this young girl is still alive because the death ghouls have not succeeded in killing her, while Schiavo is forever dead.

14 posted on 02/01/2006 7:45:05 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I don't think anyone has a Heliegh-specific list, but I will ping my pro-life list.


15 posted on 02/01/2006 7:47:55 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...
Haleigh Poutre ping!

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

16 posted on 02/01/2006 7:49:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Can you add me to this list..


17 posted on 02/01/2006 7:51:10 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Isa 5:20: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;...


18 posted on 02/01/2006 7:54:09 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: mnehrling

I think it's sad that the media isn't paying attention to this either, but I hope they will as time goes by. Haleigh is far from out of danger.

Please don't think that Terri was 'brain dead' as was commonly reported by the media. She wasn't. She wasn't in a coma either. They misrepresented a lot about Terri.

With brain death, the person cannot even breathe on their own without the help of a respirator or ventilator. Terri did so for 15 years. She was no longer in a coma, as was commonly misreported early on. She came out from her coma within several weeks of her trauma, just as Randal McCloy, the surviving Sago miner, has recently done.

One, but not the only, difficulty for Terri was that of the Persistent Vegetative State. Whether Terri was truly in a PVS or had moved to another Minimally Conscious State was a point of debate even at her death. Smith brings up valid points in his article why it was only one thing that was problematic.

I hope that with more attention that Haleigh might have a brighter future.


19 posted on 02/01/2006 8:01:47 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Hildy; Ohioan from Florida; All
Hi Hildy,

There is a huge difference between this story and Schiavo. But you all know that

I am really glad you brought up this point. We can share it with all.

You will be glad to know there is an article stating just that! You can find it in the Boston Globe.

Haleigh Poutre is no Terri Schiavo

Moreover her brother made a fine response. Here it is.

Dear Ms. Young,

I writing in response to your column, “Haleigh Poutre is no Terri Schiavo”.

After reading all of the dishonesty that you purport as truths in regard to my sister Terri, I have to say that this is not only the most irresponsible article that I have yet to read from the media regarding Terri’s situation, but possibly the most egregious.

You wrote that, “Schiavo had been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, and had undergone a barrage of tests showing that she had no higher brain functioning and no consciousness – a fact on which all unbiased medical experts agreed.”

I want to know how you’ve researched Terri’s case, and how you’ve obtained this information. Could it be that you’ve gathered your ‘facts’ from the other opinion pieces similar to the one you’ve written about Terri?

If you are referring to autopsy that ostensibly proved that Terri was PVS, then you are entirely wrong.  The Independent Medical Examiner who performed the autopsy, Dr. Jon Thogmartin, went to great lengths to caution those reviewing Terri’s autopsy that a post-mortem, forensic examination could neither confirm nor refute a diagnosis of persistent vegetative state.  This is because PVS is a clinical diagnosis based on the behaviors of a living patient and not forensic pathology.

Moreover, Dr. Stephen Nelson – a consulting pathologist who assisted Dr. Thogmartin with the autopsy report – admitted that, while Terri’s symptoms were consistent with PVS, he could not rule out the possibility that Terri was in a minimally conscious state.

And there are numerous pathologists and physicians that have responded to the autopsy finding as being misleading and ambiguous.  This information could have been and still can be easily provided to you.

I wonder if you were you aware that – as indicated in Terri’s medical records – she was talking when given rehabilitation in the months following her injury?  This completely refutes the PVS diagnosis.

Additionally, did you know that there were more doctors on record with the court (from some of the most distinguished institutions from across the country) stating that Terri was not in PVS than there were doctors that said she was?  Furthermore, most of these affidavits (there are more than 42 in total) submitted by these doctors said that if Terri was given proper therapy, her functioning capacity could have improved.  Why was this never reported by the media?

Did you know that a recent British Medical Journal has reported that nearly 43% of all PVS diagnoses are, in fact, misdiagnoses?   Based on this report, the Independent Medical Examiner findings, the sworn testimony and affidavits of over 42 physicians, neurologists and other healthcare professionals contradicting that Terri was in PVS, I believe it is incredibly reckless for you to make the sweeping statement that Terri was PVS.

The fact that my sister received no therapy for more than thirteen years, which also was rarely if ever reported by the media, only added to the deterioration of her condition. No autopsy report could have ever determined how much Terri would have improved if she was receiving proper rehabilitation and therapy during the past thirteen years.

To make the statement that, “. . . all unbiased medical experts agreed” as to the condition of my sister is so completely disingenuous that the only conclusion I can draw is that you did absolutely no research into the doctors that evaluated Terri.

Dr. Ronald Cranford, hired by Michael Schiavo, has testified in almost every major case that the removal of the feeding tube should be permitted.  He even takes pleasure in the moniker, Dr. Humane Death.  To call him ‘unbiased’ is like calling Rush Limbaugh a liberal democrat.  And one of the other doctors that testified in my sister trial, Dr. Peter Bambakidis, was later discovered as having ties to same organization as Michael Schiavo’s attorney George Felos.

But aside from all this, what is really sad is that your article and so many others like yours does nothing but discriminate against the disabled by labeling them with this dangerous and subjective PVS diagnosis.  The PVS diagnosis was created for one reason and to serve only one purpose – to kill those that are the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

No amount of damage to the brain or level of disability should give anyone the authority to kill.  But this is exactly what you are saying - and is now happening all the time - that we can justify the killing of human beings because they have reached a level of profound brain damage that is unacceptable for us to care for them anymore.  So, tell me, how long do you give Haliegh to improve before you give up on her and decide that she must die?

What is really shameful though is that I have to respond to articles like yours and defend my sister’s life and explain why her family should have been permitted to love her.

Columnist Nat Hentoff commented on the media and how they have handled my sister’s case.  He said that it was so shoddy and inaccurate that it was the worst case of ‘journalistic malpractice’ that he’s seen in 25 years.

It continues.

Bobby Schindler

20 posted on 02/01/2006 8:04:26 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Thanks. :-)


21 posted on 02/01/2006 8:07:12 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
A ping for Haleigh!!!

God bless this little kid!

8mm


22 posted on 02/01/2006 8:07:47 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Halls
This is such a sad story and so many people so quick to pull the plug and let her starve to death. A little girl who has already gone through so much.

Never had anyone to love her, cherish her, etc....just people who want to pull the plug as fast as possible. God help us all.

23 posted on 02/01/2006 8:16:46 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats...by Thomas Sowell)
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To: 8mmMauser
The PVS diagnosis was created for one reason and to serve only one purpose – to kill those that are the weakest and most vulnerable among us.
Exactly!
State sanctioned - and encouraged murder.

But then we have been murdering the inconvient among us since 1973.

May God have mercy on our nation.

GE
24 posted on 02/01/2006 8:16:59 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

PVS is a shamefully hopeless diagnosis. It is one where the doctor decides there is nothing he can do, and so gives himself permission to give up trying.

I am more encouraged by the doctors who understand that there are stages of consciousness, and that we can be unconscious for a while, then emerge from it, and sometimes retreat back into it, only to (oftentimes) re-emerge.

I detest when they refer to PVS as a permanent condition. Only death is permanent.


25 posted on 02/01/2006 8:24:24 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
...Lest anyone think that Haleigh's apparent consciousness protects her from suffering the fate of Terri Schiavo, who was ordered dehydrated by a Florida court based, in part, on a finding that she was unconscious, think again. In most states, exhibiting consciousness is not a defense against dehydration for profoundly impaired patients. Indeed, cognitively disabled people who are conscious are commonly dehydrated throughout the country. So long as no family member objects, the practice is deemed medically routine...
In today's 'compassionate' world, the standard society uses decide whether another lives or dies is if we would 'want to live like that.' In reality of course, the standard is whether a given individual is to be considered a burden upon society or a potential contributor to the collective.

If this little girl had only murdered someone before becoming disabled, the Left would now be rising up in her defense. It is her innocence that condemns her.

These are examples of decadence and cold indifference to life that our Jihadist enemies can point to as proof that our culture is toxic and as such should be forcibly replaced with theirs for the ultimate good of all.
26 posted on 02/01/2006 8:29:37 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: mnehrling

Sure, you're added to the Pro-Life ping list.


27 posted on 02/01/2006 8:32:45 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: 8mmMauser

But those with an agenda are never interested in facts.


28 posted on 02/01/2006 8:35:30 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Low-swooping Hawk)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Only death is permanent.
I would only add that only death is known to be permanent by us. Since we, as humans, do not grant life we consequently have no authority to extinguish it except for cases specifically authorized by the granter of life.
In this nation we have removed the authority of Gods word from our public conciseness for long enough now that society no longer knows why it is wrong to kill. It is wrong because GOD said it is. Without that anchor, every moral decision is just opinion - and one opinion is just as valid as another. -- IMHO

Cordially,
GE
29 posted on 02/01/2006 8:39:11 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

Thoughtful addition! :-)


30 posted on 02/01/2006 8:54:46 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: MarMema

I know you're a fan of Smith's, so I thought I should ping you to this thread. Hope you're doing well.


31 posted on 02/01/2006 8:56:04 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: walford

The futile care system is alive and well in our country as it stands today.

The Jihadists can find proof anywhere they want to look. Too bad they don't see their own faults and shortcomings, and are willing to kill others because of their blindness. I guess the same could be said of the euthanasiasts.


32 posted on 02/01/2006 9:03:24 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: walford
You bring up a good point of irony and stark contrast. Picture if we were to sentence our serial murderers to death by dehydration. Liberals decry the cruel and inhuman punishment of the pain of a needle in a lethal injection. Yet, we sentence the innocent to up to thirteen days of horrible and painful death.

Imagine if we sentenced Scott Peterson to such a treatment.

The article in this thread describes the punishment of dehydration.

Defining dehydratable people.

It wasn't always so. It used to be thought of as unthinkable to remove a feeding tube. Then, as bioethicists and others among the medical intelligentsia began to worry about the cost of caring for dependent people and the growing number of our elderly — and as personal autonomy increasingly became a driving force in medical ethics — some looked for a way to shorten the lives of the most marginal people without violating the law or radically distorting traditional medical values. Removing tubes providing food and fluids was seen as the answer. After all, it was argued, use of a feeding tube requires a relatively minor medical procedure. Moreover, the nutrition provided the patient is not steak and potatoes, but a liquid formula prepared under medical auspices so as to ease digestion. There can also be complications such as diarrhea and infection.

Having reached consensus on the matter, the bioethics movement mounted a deliberate and energetic campaign during the 1980s to change the classification of ANH from humane care, which can't be withdrawn, to medical treatment, which can. The first people targeted for potential dehydration were the persistently unconscious or elderly with pronounced morbidity. Thus, bioethics pioneer Daniel Callahan wrote in the October 1983. Hastings Center Report, "Given the increasingly large pool of superannuated, chronically ill, physically marginalized elderly it [a denial of ANH] could well become the non treatment of choice."

And here is just one description of the effects of dehydration:

Saliva becomes thick and foul-tasting; the tongue clings irritatingly to the teeth and the roof of the mouth .... A lump seems to form in the throat ... severe pain is felt in the head and neck. The face feels full due to the shrinking of the skin. Hearing is affected, and many people begin to hallucinate... [then come] the agonies of a mouth that has ceased to generate saliva. The tongue hardens into what McGee describes as "a senseless weight, swinging on the still-soft root and striking foreignly against the teeth." Speech becomes impossible, although sufferers have been known to moan and bellow.

Next is the "blood sweats" phase, involving "a progressive mummification of the initially living body." The tongue swells to such proportions that it squeezes past the jaws. The eyelids crack and the eyeballs begin to weep tears of blood. The throat is so swollen that breathing becomes difficult, creating an incongruous yet terrifying
sense of drowning.

Finally ... there is living death, the state into which Pablo Valencia had entered when McGee discovered him on a desert trail, crawling on his hands and knees: "His lips had disappeared as if amputated, leaving low edges of blackened tissue; his teeth and gums projected like those of a skinned animal, but the flesh was black and dry as a hank of jerky; his nose was withered and shrunken to half its length, and the nostril-lining showing black; his eyes were set in a winkless stare, with surrounding skin so contracted as to expose the conjunctiva, itself as black as the gums...; his skin [had] generally turned a ghastly purplish yet ashen gray, with great livid blotches and streaks; his lower legs and feet ... were torn and scratched by contact with thorns and sharp rocks, yet even the freshest cuts were so many scratches in dry leather, without trace of blood" (Philbrick, 126-128).

Source

33 posted on 02/01/2006 9:17:41 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; 4lifeandliberty; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Haleigh Poutre information

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

34 posted on 02/01/2006 9:18:41 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
I don't think there is a Haleigh Poutre ping list (yet); I've been pinging her story to my Pro-Life/Pro-Baby list. :)


35 posted on 02/01/2006 9:19:46 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Hildy

Of course there's a huge difference, but that doesn't matter to the willfully ignorant or the kookily obsessed.


36 posted on 02/01/2006 9:22:39 AM PST by Constitution Day (Anger is an energy)
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To: 8mmMauser; amdgmary; cyn; tutstar; Lesforlife; Ohioan from Florida; Dante3; T'wit
Ted Stith has died. I was able to get confirmation. He died of dehydration at a hospice.

Ted wanted water. He wanted to live.

Parents should not vacation in Florida with their adult children unless they trust them.

seriously. the medical providers are not healing, they are trafficking human beings straight to hospice.

Amerika, wake up. Ted was only 73 and people recover from strokes every single day!

37 posted on 02/01/2006 9:23:43 AM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Please put me on your ping list? Thanks.


38 posted on 02/01/2006 9:25:37 AM PST by Lovergirl (Yes! It's true. I am a SnowFlake.)
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To: cgk

Thanks for doing that. :-)


39 posted on 02/01/2006 9:27:18 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser
Ted went from a hospital to a hospice. What happened to rehabbing stroke patients? Did you see above my post wherein the hospice employee said Ted would have to speak to impress him. They threw his best friend off of the visitor's list in case she was sneak feeding him. After his best friend was kicked off the list, God only knows what they did to Ted.

I'm calling Doctor Congressman Dave Weldon, Fl (federal or state investigation would be appropriate. Ted was from out of state but was murdered in Florida by Florida's DEATH CARE SYSTEM for the son.

40 posted on 02/01/2006 9:32:21 AM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: floriduh voter

It is a sad day for Ted Sr., a sad day for Florida, and for us all. Sadder still for all those condemned to horrible painful death by bioethicists, the ones we never hear about. Maybe we will be able to shine the spotlight on these murders.


41 posted on 02/01/2006 9:35:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; Sun; Pepper777; Saundra Duffy; amdgmary; russesjunjee; ...

Justice v. euthanasia in keywords. Okay to cover everybody subject to euthanasia here for the month of February? TERRI DAILIES for Jan can be pinged here.


42 posted on 02/01/2006 9:36:39 AM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

We can become in effect the Haleigh ping list.

8mm


43 posted on 02/01/2006 9:37:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
Lots of pings today, lots happening. Who said the Terri Legacy was slowing down and we should just MoveOn??

Here is the new Terri February Dailies thread.

8mm


44 posted on 02/01/2006 9:45:45 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Constitution Day

Do you not see the similarites in the way the medical profession deems some as hopeless, or too expensive to care for?

Haleigh is lucky that she hasn't been denied food and water yet. Thank God that she was able to breathe without that respirator when push came to shove. The permission has already been granted to remove her feeding tube. It may still happen. Hopefully not.

If saying this makes me willfully ignorant or kookily obsessed, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. I'd rather be labelled either one, than to deny that there are similarities between Terri and Haleigh.


45 posted on 02/01/2006 9:46:37 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Excellent! Thank you so much for the ping. Wesley is awesome, as usual.

I noted the words "medical intelligentsia" with some irony.

46 posted on 02/01/2006 9:48:30 AM PST by MarMema (Steelers favorite local seafood - mud eel chowder)
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To: 8mmMauser

I'm still here and don't plan to slow down!!


47 posted on 02/01/2006 9:49:38 AM PST by Halls (Dallas County, Texas, but my heart is in East Texas!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

"They could still recommend to guardian Harry Spence that he withdraw her food and fluids lest she grow up profoundly disabled."

48 posted on 02/01/2006 9:52:31 AM PST by MarMema (Steelers favorite local seafood - mud eel chowder)
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To: mnehrling

A court appointed guardian advocating death for his charge without ever having seen them, hospital staff brazenly lying to the state to get their patient killed; it's almost too much to comprehend sometimes. We are in a sad age.


49 posted on 02/01/2006 9:55:23 AM PST by kenth
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Saliva becomes thick and foul-tasting; the tongue clings irritatingly to the teeth and the roof of the mouth .... [read on to end of paragraph, please]

In other words, imagine the Mother of all Hangovers. And guess what -- it's going to get worse for the rest of your life.

50 posted on 02/01/2006 9:56:03 AM PST by T'wit (You wonder why there is so little news on Sunday mornings? The leftist news fakers are asleep.)
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