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The Impact of Alito (could stop baby-killing!!!)
NewsMax.com ^ | 2 February 2006 | Susan Estrich

Posted on 02/01/2006 7:31:12 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

Now that Sam Alito has been confirmed, the pro-choice movement in America needs to take stock. The effort to stop Alito was a colossal failure.

The opportunity to educate the public about the tenuous state of abortion rights in America was utterly lost in a confusing Senate strategy that at one moment focused on Alito's club memberships, at another on his investments and hardly ever on the likely future for women in this country. But the senators alone cannot be blamed.

The pro-choice movement was in many respects no more effective than the senators in reaching women - despite repeated claims that Roe was at risk, most women remained ummoved. There was no outrage, little pressure and nothing resembling an effective grass-roots movement to stop Alito.

Part of the reason, no doubt, is because the women with the most political clout in this country do not feel vulnerable to Sam Alito. To a very large extent, they are right. But that is not a good enough reason for their apathy.

Even if Roe were to be overruled, women in blue states along the two coasts would be unlikely to see any major changes in their rights, or in access to abortion. The decision as to abortion rights would shift back to each of the states - in states with pro-choice majorities or super-majorities in the legislatures or pro-choice governors, protection of abortion rights would be afforded by state law, or even by the state Constitution.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: babykillers; justicealito; proabortionists; robertscourt; scotus; ussenate
THere is nothing "pro-choice" about killing babies!
1 posted on 02/01/2006 7:31:13 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
The New Sue

Same old lib brain, tho.

2 posted on 02/01/2006 7:35:23 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: Aussie Dasher
yet for women serving this country overseas, or for the dependents of servicemen, there are often no safe alternatives but military hospitals.

The form of murder commonly called "abortion" is NEVER safe for the baby.
3 posted on 02/01/2006 7:36:42 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: JennysCool

Was that picture from 1942?


4 posted on 02/01/2006 7:39:38 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Aussie Dasher

And other kinds of killing:

Alito Opposes Mo. Execution

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/01/D8FGN8509.html


5 posted on 02/01/2006 7:40:31 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: TheGeezer

Nope. She's had a remake! :-)


6 posted on 02/01/2006 7:40:35 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Pro-choice? That's a lie!
No baby chooses to die.
7 posted on 02/01/2006 7:41:41 PM PST by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: JennysCool

Greta V. ought to get her doctor's card.


8 posted on 02/01/2006 7:43:20 PM PST by neodad (Rock Chock Seahawks)
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To: JennysCool

I want her doctor's name. Excellent facelife and resurfacing of the skin. She looks natural, but younger...great surgery!!!


9 posted on 02/01/2006 7:44:25 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (Its Polamalu, pahmahlu, its Polamalu do do dododo do...)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed when they realize that Alito hasn't shifted the balance of the court as far as they think. Kennedy is pretty liberal on a lot of issues.


10 posted on 02/01/2006 7:45:52 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: Aussie Dasher
Justice Kennedy can't be relied upon to vote conservative or pro-life. He's a flake.

Unfortunately, he is the swing vote right now and so I believe the pro-life side of the court is still a vote shy.

11 posted on 02/01/2006 7:46:38 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: JennysCool

Wow. They fixed her mouth. Well, it would have been better stapled shut, but I guess any improvement counts.


12 posted on 02/01/2006 7:46:58 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: Aussie Dasher
It's not hard to conclude that Roe was an anti-constitutional decision that ought to be overturned, and will be, with one more Supreme Court vote. The difficult issue will follow: Is a baby in the womb a "person" protected by the due process clause of the US Constitution? If so, he/she may not be murdered simply as a birth control method.

The Constitution is silent on whether unborn children are protected to the same extent as all other citizens. This was a situation that did not confront the founders, and there is probably no documentation on whether they believed that the rights conferred by the Constitution applied to the unborn.

Another issue would be whether the federal government could outlaw abortion across the land. After all, Congress is trying to regulate abortion in the legislation on partial birth abortion. However, the same reverence for the constitution that would permit Roe to be overturned would also counsel for overturning the expansive view of the Constitution as allowing the Congress to declare that just about anything is under its purview, due to the "interstate commerce clause." Theoretically, abortion is an issue that should be left to the states, but since Congress can find a tenuous indirect connection of anything to interstate commerce, it has been allowed to legislate on anything and everything since the days of FDR.

In any event, there will be a lot of battles ahead, and a lot of arguments to make.

13 posted on 02/01/2006 7:55:46 PM PST by Defiant (Dar al Salaam will exist when the entire world submits to American leadership.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"The pro-choice movement was in many respects no more effective than the senators in reaching women - despite repeated claims that Roe was at risk, most women remained ummoved. There was no outrage, little pressure and nothing resembling an effective grass-roots movement to stop Alito"

I doubt that Susan "Estwitch" will let even her own words impact her thought processes in any measurable way. She basically stated:
If the majority of the women in the USA do not view the "right to have an elective abortion" as their number one political priority...perhaps women are not actually intelligent enough to vote./sarcasm//
Poor Susan!/sarcasm//
She will never comprehend that most women are intelligent enough to comprehend that this particular "right" can easily become a mandated and government enforced "requirement".
Or maybe she does, and she actually wants the government to control female fertility...
14 posted on 02/01/2006 8:01:46 PM PST by sarasmom (I don't care who John Gault is, I just need directions to his current location!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
When I tell my students about the bad old days, when we used to collect money along the hallway of the dorm and bundle someone off on the bus to New York, hoping she wouldn't start hemorrhaging on the way home, they look at me as if I were from another time zone, another country.

Imagine that Suze. [sarcasm]

Maybe Americans have grown up a bit, too much to fall for these lame scare tactics?

Look, Alito won't change the balance even if Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts all are solid on issue. Kennedy just wants the party circuit in D.C. to like him. Completely unreliable. What some are hoping is that Kennedy will at least remain firm to what he did in past, and in so doing keep partial birth. Re-address CFR...personally I'd like to see him keep his hands of rulings about national security, O'Connor tended to be the more reliable decision maker there.

Theoretically should we ever get 5 solid Justices? I suspect they won't overtrun, they'll just do everything short of it until the law is hollowed out. Then it'll quietly pass from the books once it's been gutted.

What that means is that people will vote on the issue.

I suspect most states will ban late term abortion. Require parental notification and/or approval. Spousal notification. Rape/Incest will remain legal to get an abortion. 1st tri abortions will probably be legal in most states if not all. The second tri is what will be grey area, not sure I can predict where people will fall on that.

Then for years afterward people will fight over it, tweak where their states stand on it, eventually a national consensus will be reached. Obviously pro-lifers hope in favor of life altogether, but we'll see. Should that ever come, a constitutional amendment will probably be bantered about which is how changes should occur. Not through the Judiciary.

Really, overturning or just gutting R v W is only the beginning of a fight. No one in this country really knows where people exactly stand because Justices have prevented a real decision being made by the People. Polls don't cut it, at least this way there will be clarity and eventually less acrimony.

15 posted on 02/01/2006 8:04:26 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: JennysCool

Man, whoever did her remake was an artist. I wonder if my wife...... maybe not.


16 posted on 02/01/2006 8:11:01 PM PST by ex_desert_cowboy
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To: JennysCool

Wow. She doesn't look half bad. If they could just change her voice a bit.....I still don't know if I'd hit that. >8^)>~


17 posted on 02/01/2006 8:31:37 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: Dreagon

"I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed when they realize that Alito hasn't shifted the balance of the court as far as they think. Kennedy is pretty liberal on a lot of issues."


Bingo! At most, the court has four conservatives on it. Roberts is pretty much an unknown commodity. Kennedy is the new swing vote.


18 posted on 02/01/2006 8:34:57 PM PST by nralife
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To: marshmallow

We are close enough we could get some further restriction on abortion since Kennedy couuld go with us on a few of those cases.

HOWEVER, we are definitely not going to see Roe overturned unless we get another vote.


19 posted on 02/01/2006 8:37:19 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: JennysCool

Did Susie Baby Killer get a face lift?


20 posted on 02/01/2006 9:07:04 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

They Both need the name of Maxine Waters surgeon....she almost looked pretty!


21 posted on 02/01/2006 9:08:28 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: lesser_satan

My husband thinks they tightened her vocal chords because she doesn't sound so raspy now.


22 posted on 02/01/2006 9:11:05 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: JennysCool
Wow!!!!

Let's have a little side by side comparison shall we?

Before After

Whoa!!!

23 posted on 02/01/2006 9:15:41 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: JennysCool

You can paint and powder a sows ear, and you can nip and tuck it - but inside the same old PIG still resides.

While Susan whines, she never bothers to acknowledge that 58% of Americans (the ones who vote) ARE ANTI-ABORTION!! And .. unlike years ago .. there are many, many methods for PREVENTING PREGNANCY .. so there is no need for killing the baby anymore. THERE IS A BETTER WAY!!!

But even more than abortion being abolished - which I believe will let loose a spiritual awakening and prosperity renewal in America .. Rush mentioned something this week about Roberts not being happy with CFR - and Rush believes it will be gutted.

If that happens .. the dems will be in a major hurt for the elections, because it may have some effect on the 527 money. And .. the other effect will be the 527's will not have the power they did have.


24 posted on 02/01/2006 9:20:18 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: TheGeezer

How did Sean and Allen recognize her? LOL!


25 posted on 02/01/2006 9:20:34 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Dreagon

But the nose is awful!


26 posted on 02/01/2006 9:23:16 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: Defiant

What I find interesting is judges and courts have convicted people for the death of a baby in the womb. But .. nobody seems to realize the "fetus" has just been recognized as a PERSON in those cases.

I don't see as how there is such a big leap to get to stopping abortions. If the states want to allow it - let them. And you can bet it will be the blue states that will do that - fine. But the NATION as a whole cannot support abortion and survive.


27 posted on 02/01/2006 9:27:57 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: Incorrigible

Excellent makeover by Susan. I'll give her that.


28 posted on 02/01/2006 9:30:29 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature - Jim Beam)
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To: Ann Archy
Okay, but I still don't know if I'd hit that. >8^)>~
29 posted on 02/01/2006 9:34:21 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: JennysCool
"The New Sue"

She looks like a Fox fox - not.

30 posted on 02/01/2006 9:38:30 PM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: Aussie Dasher
I guess we're old fashioned. We've mated to induce two pregnancies. Otherwise we do otherwise. In thirty-six years of marriage, we have produced two very beautiful children. This entire abortion issue is so tiresome. People need to be accountable for their genitals.

We are sick and tired of this ABORTION issue.

More people (like Cindy Shithan) rant and rave about this than national security.

31 posted on 02/01/2006 11:16:34 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Incorrigible

whoa whoa whoa whoa that is NOT the same person no FRIGGIN way!!!!!


32 posted on 02/02/2006 1:01:11 AM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes. (i fear the greeks even when they bring gifts))
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To: MetalHeadConservative35

Hillary needs to see Susan's doctor. Hillary's eye job already needs to be updated. And her jowls!


33 posted on 02/02/2006 6:07:52 AM PST by kellynch (I am excessively diverted. ~~Jane Austen)
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To: Incorrigible

Betty Ford will do that for you.


34 posted on 02/02/2006 6:23:49 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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