Power Play? Board boots Baptist pastor in flap over speaking in tongues

Journal Now.com ^ | Saturday, February 4, 2006 | By Greg Horton

[JamesP81]

The idea the gifts of the holy spirit died with the apostles is laughable. There is no Biblical support for that assertion. It is also odd to call it a private prayer language. What speaking is tongues is according to the Bible is evidence of being filled with the holy spirit. Nothing more, nothing less. Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is.

I personally don't believe in the 'prayer language'. The term 'praying in tongues' appears exactly one time in the Bible and when it does, Paul is not speaking of it favorably. I do, however, believe in the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues (note speaking, and not praying. A verbal tongue in the church should always be accompanied by an interpretation). I furthermore don't believe in the filling of the Spirit as an act separate from salvation.

With all that said, this is a well reasoned statement. I am a southern baptist, but in this case, I think they're making the wrong call. If it is indeed a 'non-essential' doctrine then there's no reason to raise a stink about it (this is essentially the attitude I have with my friends since pretty much all of them are AoG). No one's going to get to the judgment and be sent to hell because he didn't speak in tongues. It is given to some speak in tongues and some it is not.

My $0.02

[JamesP81]

These are signs that will follow believers. The nature of a "sign" is that it a marvelous event designed to bring glory to GOD....and GOD will make them happen according to HIS determination.

Exactly. Tongues is a spiritual gift. YOU DO NOT COMMAND IT. God commands the spiritual gifts, and this one is not excluded.

[JamesP81]

The modern Charismatic mode of "speaking in tongues" is troubling since it doesn't fit the biblical pattern set out by St. Paul. If a Baptist assembly were to somehow manage to accurately reproduce the biblical scenario (one speaks, another interprets, and this in the presence of non-Christians that understand the same language as the tongue), I think that sooner or later the SBC would make room for it

Agreed, 100%. I believe in tongues (it's in the bible) but not the way the modern Charismatics teach it at all.

[sausageseller]

And really, does it matter in my or your salvation over some tedious issue like that?

Then why did you post so much to this thread. Look in the mirror first!

[sausageseller]

I furthermore don't believe in the filling of the Spirit as an act separate from salvation.

Acts 8:14-16

Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of god,they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy ghost:

[moog]

------And really, does it matter in my or your salvation over some tedious issue like that?---------

Then why did you post so much to this thread. Look in the mirror first!

Believe me I do. Never once did I say I was better than anyone. I can't be like you perfect beings you know. "Falling short" is my trademark. It explains why I never grew very much. I posted a lot because among the many sincere replies, there's always a dumb, childish reply like this one that is so dadburn entertaining. I'll have to teach my four-year-old nephew that comeback. Then again, he might have already used it. Thanks again for the compliment.

[moog]

------And really, does it matter in my or your salvation over some tedious issue like that?---------

Then why did you post so much to this thread. Look in the mirror first!

Believe me I do. Never once did I say I was better than anyone. I can't be like you perfect beings you know. "Falling short" is my trademark. It explains why I never grew very much. I posted a lot because among the many sincere replies, there's always a dumb, childish reply like this one that is so dadburn entertaining. I'll have to teach my four-year-old nephew that comeback. Then again, he might have already used it. Thanks again for the compliment.

[WKB]

Perhaps more self-reflection, and meditation on the things that are important to God are in order.

Thank-you,



Change that, I don't worry enough.

[WKB]

I don't know about yoose guys but I
ain't buying no sawsidge from this fellow.

[sausageseller]

I don't know about yoose guys but I ain't buying no sawsidge from this fellow.

As a former SB member, I quit buying anything from the SBC a long time ago.

[sausageseller]

. I'll have to teach my four-year-old nephew that comeback. Then again, he might have already used it. Again you carp on others while doing the same yourself. And then play the old "I'm just a sinner" card. Pathetic is what it is.

[WKB]

As a former SB member


AW that explains it

[moog]

Again you carp on others while doing the same yourself. And then play the old "I'm just a sinner" card. Pathetic is what it is.

Sorry, bud, you sound like the one carping. I haven't made a real effort to do so, though I could learn. Can you teach me? I like trout better anyways though. And yes, I am just a sinner, nothing more, nothing less. Thanks for pointing that out.

Hey, my two-year-old nephew copyrighted "pathetic." You may have to pay royalties to him.

[moog]

Aw, sausage guy is probably all right I think. He's pretty FRANK, that's for sure.

[WKB]

Question:

Being a "former" SB.
After you "learned" how to speak in tongues
did you also learn how to lose your salvation ?

[sausageseller]

Hey, my two-year-old nephew copyrighted "pathetic." You may have to pay royalties to him.

More childish response. Your just proving my words.

This is a common trait among the SB. You preach the word, then you speak and DO different. And of course pull the "I'm just a sinner" card.

[WKB]

OH I wish I was an Oscar Mier weenie.

[sausageseller]

I did learn in the SBC church how you can blaspheme the Holy Spirit and still be saved.

I also learned you can lie ,cheat, steal, murder, rape,fornicate, have as many gods as you wish, all while your still saved.

[WKB]

Is that a yes or a no?

[moog]

More childish response. Your just proving my words. This is a common trait among the SB. You preach the word, then you speak and DO different. And of course pull the "I'm just a sinner" card.

You mean, you're (spelled as a contraction by the way), actually equating me to a child. OH the humanity, oh woe is me. Heck, I've never been anything more than a garden snail before. Stop the compliments

Wait a minute, do you have me confused with someone else???? I'm not a preacher. Holy Cats!! How can someone even think that????? And HOW do you know I do different? Maybe you're that fly that keeps buzzing around my head.

And guess WHAT, I'm not even Baptist. I appreciate many of them, but don't agree with all of them.

Please tell me what I specifically said for you to make those accusations that you did. You got two things wrong already--that I'm Baptist and a preacher.

And if you looked, the only points I've really made are 1)that the gift of tongues is not just random talking 2) that the gift of tongues is indeed manifest in our day 3)that the gift of tongues when manifest often does have a purpose 4)that it can be manifest in other ways besides just uttering different tongues--such as when missionaries preaching the gospel learn languages in foreign countries 5) that I'm a dumb idiot. The last one is TRUE. I don't play any "cards." I insult myself because I'm not perfect and because I'm telling the TRUTH.

And what do you call your statements? enlightenment?