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To: WKB
Maybe you should chnage your screen name to "Sometimes Right"!!!

The idea the gifts of the holy spirit died with the apostles is laughable. There is no Biblical support for that assertion. It is also odd to call it a private prayer language. What speaking is tongues is according to the Bible is evidence of being filled with the holy spirit. Nothing more, nothing less. Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is.

10 posted on 02/04/2006 3:05:30 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is.




See you ARE "right sometimes". :>)


12 posted on 02/04/2006 3:07:09 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Always Right

I hate to say this but to me the whole tounge issue in the SBC comes down to a issue of polite Southern middle Class conformity. You know we teachers , bankers, etc in the First BAptist Church of "..." just dont do that. I understand the major problems with Pentecostals esp the oneness kind. I know this is going to be controversal but Baptist shoould look to the Catholics to see how the Church dealt with the issue and incorparated the Charismatic movement into the local churches as a whole without disturbing everyones feelings


13 posted on 02/04/2006 3:11:35 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Always Right; WKB
Tongues is described in the Bible as a spiritual language used by early Christians, enabled by the Holy Spirit. The issue of whether it is still relevant, or appropriate, for modern times has divided many denominations.

This statement in the article is wrong because it does not fully express the teaching of the bible.

A correct teaching would say: "Tongues in the Bible CAN SOMETIMES BE a spiritual language that was used by SOME early Christians..."

26 posted on 02/04/2006 3:52:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Always Right; WKB

"Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is."

You Southern Pentacostals are always mucking it up. :O


106 posted on 02/04/2006 6:04:15 AM PST by moog
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To: Always Right; WKB; pepsionice; bayourant; alpha-8-25-02; JeSti; Larry Lucido; WestVirginiaRebel; ...
The idea the gifts of the holy spirit died with the apostles is laughable.

Actually, if one studies Scripture, we will find in Acts chapter 2 that gibberish was not spoken at Pentacost, as it in in Charismatic churches today.

Whatever is happening with the gibberish movement is not what happened at Pentacost.

Acts 2:6  

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded,
because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7  And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another,
Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8  And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9  Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea,
and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10  Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene,
and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11  Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12  And they were all amazed,
and were in doubt, saying one to another,
What meaneth this?

Tongues as we see from God's word is not some kind of gibberish that needed to be translated or explained.

Another problems that the gibberish tongues movement has is the way it's started by and led by women.(Azuzu Street, Amiee.)

1 Timothy 2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

if the Charismatic movement really believed the Bible, instead of emotionalism, making the women sit down and be quite would wipe out the majority of people speaking gibberish in a church service.

Remember, as noted by Scripture, tongues are a KNOWN LANGUAGE.

Also, the sign gifts DID stop when the Jews finally rejected the Gospel, and Paul went to the Gentiles.

The signs were for the Jews, not the Greeks.

if you do a word search using the word "signs" you will see how very often God used the word in dealing with His people, the Jews.

1 Corinthians 1:22
 For the Jews require a sign,
and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23  But we preach Christ crucified,
unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24  But unto them which are called,
both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God,
and the wisdom of God.

180 posted on 02/04/2006 8:17:25 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Always Right
The idea the gifts of the holy spirit died with the apostles is laughable. There is no Biblical support for that assertion. It is also odd to call it a private prayer language. What speaking is tongues is according to the Bible is evidence of being filled with the holy spirit. Nothing more, nothing less. Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is.

I personally don't believe in the 'prayer language'. The term 'praying in tongues' appears exactly one time in the Bible and when it does, Paul is not speaking of it favorably. I do, however, believe in the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues (note speaking, and not praying. A verbal tongue in the church should always be accompanied by an interpretation). I furthermore don't believe in the filling of the Spirit as an act separate from salvation.

With all that said, this is a well reasoned statement. I am a southern baptist, but in this case, I think they're making the wrong call. If it is indeed a 'non-essential' doctrine then there's no reason to raise a stink about it (this is essentially the attitude I have with my friends since pretty much all of them are AoG). No one's going to get to the judgment and be sent to hell because he didn't speak in tongues. It is given to some speak in tongues and some it is not.

My $0.02
221 posted on 02/05/2006 1:09:37 PM PST by JamesP81
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