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To: spetznaz

How do the cartoons help us in the fight against the nutburgers? What do we gain by insulting them?


11 posted on 02/04/2006 11:50:44 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: bybybill
"What do we gain by insulting them?"

"We" gain the rest of the world (the sane part) understanding that Muslim fanatics are not just those few nutjobs sawing the heads off of innocents. Instead, it is becoming undeniable that muslims around the world are just plain nuts. It is becoming undeniable that muslims, as a rule, cannot exist peacefully in civilized society. They cannot be simply "tolerated".

13 posted on 02/04/2006 11:58:13 PM PST by Rokke
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To: bybybill; All
How do the cartoons help us in the fight against the nutburgers? What do we gain by insulting them?

Actually they are not helping us fight them ....what is happening is that they are fighting themselves. Think of it this way .....they have always used Europe as a place where they can espouse their various forms of angst and ire, where they can use to the maximum the freedoms inherent in those nations. After all the Europeans have always been so tolerant. However in the last couple of years the tide of popular opinion has been turning against them, especially after the murder of the Dutch film-maker, and there is spreading awareness that the significant numbers of Muslims immigrants in Europe are not willing to assimilate into the larger culture. And not only that, but they want to actually turn the culture they found in Europe into some semblance of Islamic decorum.

For instance take MAAD (Muslims against advertising), who have been going about in Britain defacing billboards that they feel are 'immoral.'

Here is a link on MAAD: Link to MAAD

That is just one example (I have others, including some with links, if one cares to see them).

Anyways, Europe is, far and large, waking up to the core issue they have within their midst. Not one of immigration, or even one of Islam ....but rather one of immigration where the migrants are:

- not willing to cohere with the native culture,

- try to change the native culture,

- use the freedoms innate in the native culture to disseminate hate (and even terror).

Everytime something occurs that doesn't please the muslim immigrants they tend to resort to unabated violence, and people are simply tired of it.

How does this help us? Well, it is not meant to help us .....this is 100% the doing of those people who cannot control their rage. Who seek to influence (actually not influence but more along the lines of bring to submission) the culture into which they have immigrated.

I also do not take it as an insult to them .....it would only have been an insult if they had protested against it in a peaceful manner and stuck to civil propriety. However the moment they started threatening kidnap, threatening murder, and burning down embassies it became a great insult ....a great grave insult. However the insult was that the muslims doing this were insulting THEMSELVES.

Crude analogy: If someone says I am a brigand and a scoundrel, I can easily take that as an insult. However, if my reaction to that assertions is to go forth and start robbing and pounding on people passing by, and I am claiming that Iam sticking up people because I am 'protesting' the insult of being called a robber, then serious questions need to be asked.

Some time back a crucifix was put in a jar of urine, and it was called art. In another 'art' exhibition the virgin Mary was smeared with dung.

What happened? People protested, and others decided to not attend the 'art' exhibits. However there were no threats of kidnap, no threats of murder, no masses of people walking around with placards such as these:

If they do not like the free speech in Europe (and for that matter America) then they (and everyone, including myself ...an immigrant BTW) is FREE TO LEAVE. However one cannot come as a guest/migrant to a foreign nation, and then try to change the very bastions that made that nation what it is! It would be like someone coming to my house and telling me I HAVE to become a vegan, chant Daoist mantras while doing Hindu mudras, stick brussel sprouts up my nose and count backwards in Chinese. If that happened I would kick that persons @r$e out of my house with all the strength (and malice) I could muster.

Same thing here .....if it was a simple (and peaceful) protest then all would be 100% ok. And it would be an insult. However when all these violence stuff starts then a whole new beast is born.

The ironic thing is most playground age kids could tell this people what they are doing is silly. After all, in kindergarten most kids know that if Billy insults Jane what she should do is report him to teacher. They also know that if Billy insults Jane, and then she takes a rock and tries to shove it up Billy's nose, that suddenly the teacher (and the parents) will be all over Jane like a bad rash, and Billy's statements (insult or not) will not even matter. Someone needs to hire a very good PR person for the muslims who would find a cartoon worth violence.

Anyways, we do not gain anything. However the radical muslims may VERY well have lost Europe. This has most probably sealed it for them.

We may not have gained a darn thing, but they surely have lost a lot.

38 posted on 02/05/2006 1:06:59 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: bybybill

What do we gain by insulting them?

its called, drawing out the enemy


49 posted on 02/05/2006 5:14:34 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: bybybill
What do we gain by insulting them?

You got a mouse in your pocket?

Buh-bye
57 posted on 02/05/2006 6:28:10 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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