Posted on 02/05/2006 10:38:58 AM PST by CobaltBlue
I responded to YOUR COMMENT. And then you call me an idiot?
"Huh? Exactly how does offshore oil production cause coastal erosion?"
This begs to be answered.
Yes I did.
You are the one who said the land could be sold for redevelopment, dude. Land that had flooded from Katrina.
" was quite sympathetic for Louisiana's plight. Was willing to go along with spending the money needed to try to address all of the problems nature posed to Louisiana.
But the actions of the state's politicians, starting with their demand for $250 billion, along with their unwillingness to take the blame for their failings, has slowly but steadily alienated my support."
I fully concur 100% with this.
Senator Landrieu and the dim bulb Gavernor further my disgust everytime they show up on TV. The other day the Senator was on CSPAN taking calls and denied New Orleans was a coastal city.
If the original owners didn't want to buy them, then the land would be pooled and sold to developers at a premium.
In other words, you said land that flooded from Katrina where the original owners did not want to keep it would be sold to developers at a premium. Developers do not buy land to make parks. They buy land to put up more valuable properties. Which means there would be more property in danger the next time around.
And for making that point, you called me an idiot.
Well, seeing your politicians and the types of posts you have made on this thread, I'll take that as a compliment.
The more I deal with most of the Louisiana posters on FR, the less inclined I get to support federal efforts to rebuild your state.
But I'm sure y'all think that's all my fault, not yours. Just like your governor says it was all FEMA's fault, not hers.
Any chance the French would take this part of the Louisiana Purchase back?
It's called "dirt". dirtboy. They are able to haul it in big trucks and then spread it over the low spots. Kinda neat.
Again, your ignorance is on parade. But I'll be happy to enlighten you.
First, the city did not flood due to Katrina. It flooded due to the Army Corps of Engineers' negligence in designing and constructing our levees. Katrina was a category three hurricane. Our levees are designed to withstand a direct hit from a category three hurricane. There was no flooding on Monday night in New Orleans after the storm passed other than in some low lying areas that always flood. The flooding began on Tuesday afternoon when the Industrial Canal levee was breached, it was complicated when the 17th St. Canal levee was breached.
Much of the water flooded into areas that never flood. This includes Gentilly, Mid City and Bywater. All these areas had a high property values before the storm. Further flood insurance was not required.
Hence, if the levees are rebuilt correctly, this would be an attractive area for redevelopmet.
There are areas of the city that are low lyin such as Treme and New Orleans East and sections of Lakeview that should not be rebuilt.
Nonetheless, this is the situation we are in. How do you propose to solve the problem?
Good one there. ;)
It's called subsidence, Sham. The entire region is sinking because of levees. The very structures that keep out the floods also prevent sedimentation from keeping pace with subsidence. Spread five feet of dirt now to build up, and it'll just sink back down to where it was in a couple of decades. That's how NOLA came to be so far under sea level.
Excellent post.
I'm sure the French would love to control the mouth of the Mississippi River.
It doesn't seem to me you were very supportive to begin with.
Well, seeing your politicians
I went to court so we could hold an election to vote Nagin out of office. I am tangentially involved in the Blank-o recall petition. I personally am doing everything I can to vote these idiots out of office.
However, that does not solve the issue of underinsured homes that need to be rebuilt. Considering the feds screwed the pooch on this one, I'd say we could use some help.
Is there a dirt shortage facing the globe or something? If we run low, we'll bring more in. Now, why don't you help us by starting a dirt collection in your hometown? I'm sure there's plenty of dirt there. Here's a hint. Look under the snow.
That should become the state mantra: "It's not our fault!"
Nah, it wasn't the Levee Commission who spent so little time on levees. Or corrupt contractors.
No, it was the FEDS! It's always the fault of the FEDS!
I am quite aware of the problems with the levees. I've studied this matter in great detail.
First, the city did not flood due to Katrina.
Oh, puh-leeze. Katrina is what CAUSED THE SURGE. You had a single line of levees. All it took was a couple points where there was bad design or construction. And without redundancy, the next hurricane will find weaknesses as well.
Your city is below sea level in hurricane country. It's absurd to redevelop most of it. I'm in favor of using federal tax dollars to mitigate this reality. I'm not in favor of using federal tax dollars to set up the bowling pins again.
Nonetheless, this is the situation we are in. How do you propose to solve the problem?
Sorry, I'm just an idiot. So I won't bother commenting further, even though I'm willing to spend extra money to fix things once in your state and fix them right.
Oh, that's brilliant. Put down five feet of dirt. Build homes on it.
Oops, it sinks five feet over the next two decades. What are ya gonna do, spread five more feet over the existing roads and yards and then jack up the homes to put dirt under them?
Actually you are incorrect about the oil industry not causing coastal erosion. Probably the largest factor in coastal erosion in Louisiana have been the loss of marshland. What happenned is that navigation channels were cut through the marshes by the oil industry for better access wells in those marshes. Unfortunately, those channels have led to salt-water intrusion and the death of the marsh plants which hold the soil. Instead of marsh, we have open water.
It seems to me that you are quick to judge people. My posting history post-Katrina stands for itself. I am in favor of a long-term approach to dealing with ALL the natural problems of your state. Hurricanes. Subsidence. And the eventuality of the Mississippi diverting down the Atchafalaya.
You, however, are more interested in rebuilding in areas below sea level, which just sets up the bowling pins all over again. So who is more serious here about addressing long-term problems in your state?
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