Truth Truck Impounded In Detroit And LLM Director Dennis Green Is Arrested And Jailed

Life and Liberty Ministries ^ | 2/5/06 | Dennis Green

[TheCrusader]

"The Truth Truck is a big vehicle with giant photos of dismembered aborted babies. Personally, I feel it drives people away from the pro-life message."

The 'truth' often does disturb people, (as we've recently seen with the muslim cartoons); but there's nothing more effective than it in the end. This "Truth Truck" has saved the lives of many babies. The driver reported that four women lost their desire to have an abortion in just one day after seeing the truck, and they thanked him. Several unrelated pro-life organizations help support this Truth Truck because it really does work.

[Flora McDonald]

For the uncommited, displaying brutal, ugly images puts the pro-life movement into the same group as jihadists showing videos of their latest beheading.

Basically, you are saying that someone riding the fence on the abortion issue will see an attempt to educate by showing pictures of brutalized infants slaughtered thru abortion as evil and the moral equivalent of a jihadist who brutally slaughters his victim and films it for propaganda.

I have seen similar pictures of babies and body parts in the Holocaust Museum and it never occurred to me to equate the museum exhibitors with Nazis.

Many people in America suffer from the confusion of moral inversion and are unable to recognize evil when they see it much less define its source. Perhaps that is what you are referring to.

[TheCrusader]

The 1st Amendment doesn't apply to pro-life Christians. They place all sorts of restrictions on anti-abortion protesters, but give Cindy Sheehan and her gang of communist followers whatever room they want. It seems in this age the 1st Amendment works best for the socialists, pornographers and other anti-Christian "speech", like Maplethorpe's 'art'.

[Turbopilot]

Did this arrest actually have anything to do with the Super Bowl? Unless I'm mistaken, it appears the driver was arrested on Saturday, the day before the game.

I ask only because many of the responses sound as though they believe the truck was driving around for the Super Bowl (which would make no sense, because obviously the media wouldn't cover such things and the actual attendance is no more than the average NASCAR race) or that the truck was arrested to avoid embarrassment during the Super Bowl (also senseless, for the above reasons).

Having said that, while I'm not personally inclined to agree with the driver of the truck, I'm much more worried about overbearing police than I am the opinion of the driver. I hope he's let out with, at the very least, an apology and compensation for his wasted time and costs. And if more malicious intent is discovered, a civil suit against the department may be in order as well.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I don't know if you've noticed or not but even some television shows contain language about graphic content which may not be suitable for all viewers.

So do DVD rentals, but who pays attention to those? I also think that Brokeback Mountain movie posters prominently displayed at theatres are also not suitable, but there they are in full view...

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Showing pictures of dismembered fetuses is graphic content and having them on the side of a truck doesn't provide any warning it may not be suitable viewing. I don't consider it suitable viewing for children.

I don't consider Planned Parenthood, GLSEN or PFLAG literature suitable viewing for children, yet it is freely provided in elementary schools and talked about openly.

Where do we draw the line? Obviously, we only do when it comes to reality, fantasy is omitted from such restrictions. I see that as more dangerous than any graphic depictions of something real.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Personally, I feel it drives people away from the pro-life message.

How so? Detroit is one of the most violent cities in the world, there is plenty of blood and gore every day.

It is ironic that a town that has so many murders, once dubbed Murder Capitol of the World, is upset by it at all.

It is also a town where Wayne County Sheriff's deputies (not the Detroit Police) have to walk beats downtown in groups as armed gangs because the municipal police are too busy stripping cars at the impound yard.

Having grown up there, what I find shocking is that it was any kind of an issue at all... I have seen far worse on the streets of Detroit during an average day than that truck could ever display.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Detroit looks like some third world Islamic hell-hole. Lots of Islamics there and it ain't pretty...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

... brutalized infants slaughtered thru abortion as evil and the moral equivalent of a jihadist who brutally slaughters his victim and films it for propaganda.

You nailed it. How ironic the Detroit metro area has the largest contingent of Islamics in this country...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

These images upset liberals the way the Mohammed cartoons upset violent muslims.

And, the Detroit metro area has lots of both!

[A Jovial Cad]

Moonbat trolls such are yourself, who think they're fooling everybody, always make me *snicker*.

You're a joke, in more ways than one...

[keats5]

I prefer the ads of the three beautiful babies, with the fourth Xd out. I think they said something about every third baby in America is aborted.

I'm Pro- Life, but when I first saw that it was shocking news to me.

[Gopher Broke]

People who support abortion need to be reminded of the truth...no matter how painful.

So much for free speech in America...you can burn our flag or show nonstop porn...but you cannot drive a truck with the pictures from a real abortion.

God Bless Dennis and the work he does.....America is in sad shape.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

The left with their "MEDIA" cohorts use every negative image of death and destruction, of our own troops, and every misstep that takes the lives of noncombatants, to beat the brains out of Bush and those who support the WOT. In your opinion, why are their tactics so effective, but when pro life supporters do same, it is ineffective?

I find your arguments, and others of the same vein to be hollow. Just because you are horrified at visual images of the brutality committed upon abortion's victims, does not mean showing same is not effective.

I think what you are actually articulating is, why make some who have had, or have been a participate in an abortion, be made to feel uncomfortable, just because the very act is murder.

[flashbunny]

well you have to decide:

Do you just want to flash around shocking pictures because you think people must see those things, or do you want to get support for your position so you can overturn Roe V Wade?

If your aim is to make people see those pictures so they 'know what abortion is like', then yor really don't want to do what is needed to change people's minds about abortion. You just want to shock them because you think they need to be shocked.

[Don Joe]

well you have to decide:

Do you just want to flash around shocking pictures because you think people must see those things, or do you want to get support for your position so you can overturn Roe V Wade?

If your aim is to make people see those pictures so they 'know what abortion is like', then yor really don't want to do what is needed to change people's minds about abortion. You just want to shock them because you think they need to be shocked.

Wrong question.

The right question is, if YOU disagree with "the other guy's" politics, does that make it OK for the introduction of bona fide police state tactics? (Lying about "the charges", harassing a law-abiding citizen, and then hauling him off, arrested under false charges"?

I am scared -- terrified -- by the sheer number of people in this thread who seem perfectly content to "set loose the wolves", in total contravention of the Constitution -- because they find the guy's pro-life message to be in poor taste.

I'm beginning to get an understanding of how it was possible for the Little Austrian Painter to get elected into power.

[flashbunny]

well, it's starange that you singled out my post, since I never once in this thread addressed what the police did.

The only thing I've talked about is the mentality that it's good policy to think you can actually bring people over to your side by showing them pictures of aborted babies.

[Old Professer]

Free speech doesn't have to be pretty. Click here only if you want to see image> I personally prefer appeals to humanity, I'd make a poor activist, too pessimistic.

[Don Joe]

well, it's starange that you singled out my post, since I never once in this thread addressed what the police did.

Well I think it's strange that YOU missed my point entirely!

The only thing I've talked about is the mentality that it's good policy to think you can actually bring people over to your side by showing them pictures of aborted babies.

Well isn't that special.

Too bad it's NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.

This thread is about iron-fist police-state abuse of the power of the government, applied against a Christian, because the government does not approve of his message, even though he broke no law.

But thank you for confirming my point -- that there is indeed a frightening sort of person, who is content to natter away, scab-picking on the victim of this unconstitutional abuse of an innocent Christian, totally ignoring the virtual boot-heel on his neck.

Orwell had this scene dead to rights:

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

-- George Orwell

[marron]

I'm beginning to get an understanding of how it was possible for the Little Austrian Painter to get elected into power.

You got it. He was elected (more or less). Ahmadinejad was elected. Chavez was elected. And the little napoleons in Detroit were elected as well.

I'm going to disagree with some of the other posters. Showing an aborted fetus does make a point. It does force people to make a decision. The people who will react with anger to it are people who have already determined that they favor abortion no matter what.

The people who are in the balance, young kids who haven't made up their minds, need to see this. They also need, as others have suggested, to see pictures of living fetuses, to be reminded that these are living humans the same as they are.

Different messages work for different people at different times. One message doesn't touch everyone in the same way, which is why we need the freedom to each find our own voice and our own way of saying what needs to be said.

It most certainly is not the function of the Detroit Municipal Government to decide which messages are acceptable. Their job is to keep the traffic moving. If an abortion sign is causing traffic to back up, then they have the right to intervene, to have them move along. They do not have the right to seize the man's vehicle. They do not get to impose fines on someone because they don't like him.

This is an abuse of power. The police who don't like Dennis Green don't like me either. If no one will stand up to defend Green in the face of an abuse of police power, I can assume they probably aren't going to speak up for me either. I'd best keep my opinions to myself within the Detroit city limits.

[bulldozer]