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To: CobaltBlue
Hopefully this won't violate any coyright rules, but I've selected two partial sentences to quote.

"Nazi Germany had taken Darwin's ideas..." [snip] "What happened in Germany in World War II was based on science,"

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Would Ms. Crocker be as willing to link Hitler and the death camps to Christianity? I'd like to see her response to this:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

(for the record, I think it's downright nonsense, if not deliberate deceit, to link Hitler's crimes to either Darwin or Christianity. )

20 posted on 02/06/2006 6:28:53 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

I agree completely with your last sentence in your post, which reads "(for the record, I think it's downright nonsense, if not deliberate deceit, to link Hitler's crimes to either Darwin or Christianity. )"

Indeed...evil people do evil things, and trying to link their evil deeds to anothers religion or philosophy or world view, is as you say, nonsense and deceit...its also stupid, shallow, and clearly linked by people with some sort of axe to grind...


25 posted on 02/06/2006 6:35:53 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Ken H
Hitler disingenuously used both associations with popular science and associations with popular religion to hawk his ideas. However, I think the genealogy of his ideas has indirect Christian influence, insofar as Hegelian philosophy (from which it is my understanding Nazism and Theosophy are heavily derived) had Christian influence.

Aside, I read the article last night, and there is interesting stuff to notice regarding Dawkins, who is apparently now forgetting much of what actual work made him famous. The quip about donating to natural disaster relief being anti-Darwinian is quite at odds of his earlier writing on the nature of altruism.

He's really pushing socialism hard, and conservatives who focuses on evolution's supposed ideological role in deadly movements like Nazism and Communism are really missing the boat on this. It really looks like the next thing is going to be murdering (or "involuntarily euthanizing") people to eliminate the supposed ultimate evil of pain that the "monsters" that are living beings harbor. My two bits.
69 posted on 02/06/2006 8:16:21 PM PST by illinoissmith
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To: Ken H
(for the record, I think it's downright nonsense, if not deliberate deceit, to link Hitler's crimes to either Darwin or Christianity. )

Mostly agree. However, I would note that it's the naturaly reaction of a fascist, on considering evolution, to decide it's a good idea to help it along.

102 posted on 02/07/2006 3:15:06 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Ken H
Would Ms. Crocker be as willing to link Hitler and the death camps to Christianity?

Might also be done by pointing out that the Nazis reprinted, and copiously referenced, Martin Luther's On The Jews and Their Lies. Although he stopped just short of advocating mass executions, Luther in this book (explicitly and quite seriously put forward as policy recommendations to the kings of Europe) laid out many policies the Nazis would later enact: Burn the Jewish Holy Books and Synagogues, confiscate the homes and property of Jews, deny them the protection of the law and police from assault, make them work at hard labor, etc.

Of course there's no remotely comparable, or similarly vicious, prefiguring of Nazi oppression from any "evolutionist".

117 posted on 02/07/2006 9:29:19 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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