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To: Rudder; VadeRetro
Evolution takes many slings and arrrows because it doesn't explain the origins of life. Yet I agree somewhat with our critics: Biology should not avoid the topic, but is in a good position to pursue it (for example: the Miller-Urey demonstration in 1953).

There's a difference between *evolution*, and biology in general. Abiogenesis is a valid topic in biology, but it's still a topic independent of evolution, pretty much by definition. Biological evolution deals with the process of replication -- no replication, no evolution. So whatever the process(es) might be which gave rise to the first replicating thing, they didn't involve evolutionary processes, because being "pre-replication", they were "pre-evolution" as well.

67 posted on 02/06/2006 8:14:17 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

But the jump from amino acids to self-replicating proteins is just too big, without more -- I think it leaves a false impression to say that it's not.

And it certainly gives ammunition to creationists.


71 posted on 02/06/2006 8:18:38 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Ichneumon
There's a difference between *evolution*, and biology in general. Abiogenesis is a valid topic in biology, but it's still a topic independent of evolution...

Absolutely.

My statements are always made with that as an a priori assumption.

77 posted on 02/06/2006 8:38:11 PM PST by Rudder
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