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'Iran is world's most serious threat since WWII'
Jerusalem Post ^ | Feb. 7, 2006 5:09 | na

Posted on 02/06/2006 8:18:26 PM PST by Flavius

Israel's Ambassador to the United States Danny Ayalon said on Tuesday morning that Iran is the biggest problem facing the world since World War II.

He said the UN Security Council must force Iran to accept real supervision that would prevent the further development of its nuclear program.

If they continue with their plans, Ayalon warned, Iran may have the know-how needed for the production of nuclear weapons by the end of the year.

Ayalon, in an interview to Reuters, stated that he believed Iran's nuclear program would be blocked by diplomatic, not military means.


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1 posted on 02/06/2006 8:18:28 PM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius
Ayalon, in an interview to Reuters, stated that he believed Iran's nuclear program would be blocked by diplomatic, not military means.

Nonsense. This is Adolf Hitler, 1938, redux - and the world faces the same challenge. No one is going to want to believe it until Tel Aviv (Poland) is incinerated.

2 posted on 02/06/2006 8:20:47 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Iran's "Twelvers" and the Apocalypse
Interesting Article I received via e-mail, please forgive if RMM.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Sir Winston Churchill

The man in charge Iran's secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October. The average life expectancy of an Iranian male "ain't" very much beyond fifty either at 68.58 years.

So here's the backstory: Iran has a Shiite religious sect known as the "Twelver" sect. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds that Mohammed ibn Hasan (aka Mahdi) is the suggested righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad and is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at the age of five. They say that he will return and that this return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between "the forces of good and evil" it is believed that the Mahdi will then lead the world to an era of universal peace. (Sidebar: This sounds strangely similar to the New Testament second coming of Christ doesn't it? The earliest complete manuscript of the Koran is 200 AH or 800AD. You can work the other dates out for yourself and draw your on conclusions.)

So the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad http://www.scgonline.net/DI/LeaderBi...madinejad.html buys into this. But worse, his Shiite creed has convinced him that HE (a "lesser mortal") not only can influence, but also hasten the awaited return of the 12th imam Mahdi. So we now have a radical Shiite who believes that chaos, bloodshed and pestilence is necessary before his religious beliefs can be realized AND he believes that he can make it all happen AND he is in the process of creating nuclear weapons. What a nice scenario.

The Iranian President reckons the return of the imam who has been AWOL for 11 centuries is only two years away. Ahmadinejad is religiously close to the Hojjatieh Society, which is governed by the conviction the 12th imam's return will be hastened by "the creation of chaos on Earth." He has fired Iran's most experienced diplomats and scores of other officials, presumably those who don't share his belief in apocalyptic conflagration.

The Iranian leader's finger on a nuclear trigger would be disquieting under any circumstances but it is positively alarming to have a nuclear weapon in the hands of a man who badgers Israel, the United States and the European Union in the belief that a pre-emptive aerial attack on Iran's nuclear facilities will hasten the return of the missing Mahdi. Such an attack presumably would trigger anti-Western mayhem throughout the Middle East.

When he became Iran's sixth president since the 1979 revolution last summer, Ahmadinejad decided to donate $20 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the faithful can drop their missives to the "hidden imam" in a holy well. Tehran's working class faithful are convinced the new president and his Cabinet signed a "compact" pledging themselves to precipitate the return of the Mahdi -- and dropped it down Jamkaran's well with the Mahdi's zip code.

In Ahmadinejad's eyes, Iran is strong with oil inching up to $70 a barrel and America, dependent on foreign oil, is weak in their eyes. He has said publicly America and Europe have far more to lose than Iran if the U.N. Security Council votes for tough economic sanctions.

A top Ahmadinejad general, Brig.-Gen. Mohammad Kossari, who heads the political watchdog, or Security Bureau, of Iran's armed forces, recently taunted the United States when he bragged: "We have identified all the weak points of our enemies" and have sufficient cannon fodder -- i.e., suicide operation volunteers -- "ready to strike at these sensitive locations." Iranian television recently broadcast an animated film for Iranian children glorifying suicide bombers. Boy that's a nice way to help jumpstart the future generation, eh?

So far, Ahmadinejad appears to have his religious rear well covered. His ideological mentor and spiritual guide is Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi who heads the ultra-conservative acolytes who believe the return of the 12th imam is "imminent."

The son of a blacksmith, Ahmadinejad earned a doctoral degree in engineering and is a former member of Iran's notorious Revolutionary Guards at a time when dissidents and "counter-revolutionaries" were being executed by the thousands. Dr. A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, first showed Iran how to build a nuclear weapon 18 years ago. Khan also opened his nuclear black market to Iranian engineers and scientists.

The Bush administration is anxious to clear the decks in a democratic Iraq before facing the Islamist counterpart of the "Rapture" in the "Left Behind" series of books on the end of times by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. President Bush says all options are on the table. But the military option is probably the one the "twelvers" would look forward to. Some think tank strategic thinkers in Washington argue if Iran's Dr. Strangelove attacked Israel with a nuclear weapon, five Iranian cities would be vaporized next day.

It might behoove the United States to sit down with "axis of evil" Iran to find out if the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine that kept the USSR and the United States at peace for half a century could still be made to work. In any event, one would have to be irredeemably myopic not to see that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program. The only question is how far this secret program is from delivering a useable weapon and then fitting it in the nose cone of a Shahab-3 missile with the range to reach Israel. The Israeli air force will be "overhead" Iran long before that.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Sir Winston Churchill


3 posted on 02/06/2006 8:21:24 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Flavius

Let's see.....world does nothing about Iran; Iran gets bomb......Israel says, "I don't think so, preemptive strike time".......all hell breaks loose. Sounds about right to me.


4 posted on 02/06/2006 8:21:32 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Flavius
The hell you say?
5 posted on 02/06/2006 8:21:47 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Flavius

Well....except for the Communists.


6 posted on 02/06/2006 8:22:49 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Flavius
Ayalon, in an interview to Reuters, stated that he believed Iran's nuclear program would be blocked by diplomatic, not military means.

You go on believing that, meanwhile we're warming up our bombers..........

7 posted on 02/06/2006 8:23:38 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Flavius
Earth to diplomats, come in diplomats. The world can't force Iran to do anything, they aren't going to comply with any demand however made and regardless of who makes it, how many times they say please or boo and whether they put sugar on top. Act already. The talking is beyond useless.
8 posted on 02/06/2006 8:24:13 PM PST by JasonC
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No they're not. Iran is a peaceful people that respects the rights of all human beings. Their President said so.


9 posted on 02/06/2006 8:25:55 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

and the US just happens to have several battle hardened divisions on the ground right smack between the two. And about a division of Special Forces people in Afghanistan ready to creat all sort of problems on a second front.

For Iran to be talking the smack they are talking, China or Russia must have given them the got your back thumbs up. Otherwise Iran is primed to get destroyed in a war with the US and Israel.


10 posted on 02/06/2006 8:26:22 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: Flavius
He said the UN Security Council must force Iran to accept real supervision that would prevent the further development of its nuclear program.

I do not agree. Under any sort of 'supervision' agreement, Iran will play the game just as Iraq did. They will hide, misdirect, lie, and push the UN to the edge. Meanwhile, they will secretly be importing and developing nuclear technology. I hope that the US does not allow the UN to 'strike a deal' with Iran.

11 posted on 02/06/2006 8:29:21 PM PST by joseph20
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To: Flavius

Iran is maybe ten per cent of what threatens America.


12 posted on 02/06/2006 8:35:29 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( You'll love Laffey! http://www.electlaffey.com Chafeehas2go)
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Is Iran more dangerous than the USSR was?

At bottom, the Soviets were evil, but sane. Iran's government is evil and insane. With nukes, they become an incredible, unstable menace.
13 posted on 02/06/2006 8:35:43 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant (The Main Stream Media: Al-Qaeda's most effective spy network.)
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To: kinghorse

Maybe they believe Murtha, who told them our military is demoralized, worn out, and broken, and too overstretched to be a threat.

Thanks John. If we have to go to war in Iran, it's probably because you gave them the courage to think they could fight us. Just like the democrats gave Saddam the courage to believe we would never invade.

It's a whole lot easier to keep the peace if people actually believe you will go to war, and know that you will crush them if you do.

The Democrats have spent the last,well, lots of years telling our enemy the exact opposite message.


14 posted on 02/06/2006 8:35:56 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Flavius
"Such an attack presumably would trigger anti-Western mayhem throughout the Middle East.

So we kill them all and take the oil. I don't see a downside.

15 posted on 02/06/2006 8:37:18 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: kinghorse
China or Russia must have given them the got your back thumbs up.

They won't back them up.....not overtly; these two will leave Iran with their rumps flapping in the breeze when it hits the fan.

16 posted on 02/06/2006 8:41:01 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: kinghorse

China wants their oil, and Russia's hands are radioactive filthy. That's the deal there.


17 posted on 02/06/2006 8:42:00 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: kinghorse

Maybe not. China has huge economic interests in Iran's energy materials.
They are looking to protect their interests not Iran's objectives.
Pukey on the other hand, well that my friend is the anti-Christ. Take it figuratively or literally, it's the same.

And bad news all around. Russia will reveal its entrance into the alliance of evil.


18 posted on 02/06/2006 8:44:11 PM PST by romanesq
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To: kinghorse

....and neither one of them likes us in Iraq......for the obvious reason. The reason is that if China messes with Taiwan, the US may be in prime position to turn off the spigot.


19 posted on 02/06/2006 8:44:36 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: kinghorse
We're there, in force, and they aren't.....and that makes them real uncomfortable.
20 posted on 02/06/2006 8:45:57 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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