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Let's be honest: Multiculturalism can kill a nation
New York Newsday ^ | 02/07/2006 | james Pinkerton

Posted on 02/07/2006 8:43:16 AM PST by SirLinksalot

Let's be honest: Multiculturalism can kill a nation

James P. Pinkerton

The lesson of the Muhammad cartoon controversy is: Multiculturalism between nations is inevitable, but multiculturalism within nations is disastrous.

Protests, many of them violent, have erupted across the world - including Europe, Australia and New Zealand - after the appearance of cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad in unflattering ways.

It's time for all of us to recognize that different cultures have different values. For the West, broadly speaking, the highest value is freedom, including freedom of religious expression. But for the Muslim world, the highest value seems to be Islamic piety. To draw such a distinction between West and East is not to endorse cultural relativism; it's simply to take note of cultural reality.

Not everyone thirsts for liberty. Plenty of people around the world, maybe most, thirst instead to restrict liberty. And so, if Muslim crowds can't kill the Muhammad-mocking Danish cartoonists for "blasphemy," they will settle for burning Western embassies, at least for now.

Even the government of Afghanistan - where Danish forces have contributed to Western "democracy-building" - joined in the protests. Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who would not be in power save for Western intervention, added his voice to the chorus: "Any insult to the Holy Prophet is an insult to more than 1 billion Muslims, and an act like this must never be allowed to be repeated."

It should be obvious that our effort to influence Muslim public opinion in a positive way has reached a dead end. That is, we advocate democratization but get Islamization. That process empowers the likes of Hamas in Palestine and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran.

Even Turkey, commonly regarded as the most democratic and pro-American Muslim country, is changing its stance.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; culture; immigration; multiculturalism; nation
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1 posted on 02/07/2006 8:43:17 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

In the words of the great Willie Don Shaffer, "Multiculturalism is a bunch of crap"!!


2 posted on 02/07/2006 8:46:10 AM PST by evad
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To: SirLinksalot
Multiculturalism can kill a nation

It can, it has, and it continues to.

3 posted on 02/07/2006 8:46:28 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: SirLinksalot
Well, D'uh!
4 posted on 02/07/2006 8:47:54 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: SirLinksalot

Multiculturalism is fine. This country is based on it; Europeans, Asians, Arabs, Africans, Latin Americans all contributed to our culture as it is.

The BIG difference is that those people came here for freedom and to build a better life, as opposed to those fundie Muslims who come to build an oppressive theocracy.


5 posted on 02/07/2006 8:48:11 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: SirLinksalot

Any future Muslim immigrant to any Western country, including those applying for asylum, should, before be admitted, be shown all these cartoons and asked to sign a statement sasyign that they understand that this freedom of the press is the norm in their newly adopted country, or they can be sent back immediately..


6 posted on 02/07/2006 8:48:16 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: SirLinksalot
It should be obvious that our effort to influence Muslim public opinion in a positive way has reached a dead end.

Attempting to win the "hearts and minds" of people who have neither is indeed a dead end road.

7 posted on 02/07/2006 8:49:22 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: SirLinksalot

8 posted on 02/07/2006 8:50:32 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: SirLinksalot
"Any insult to the Holy Prophet is an insult to more than 1 billion Muslims, and an act like this must never be allowed to be repeated."

Muhammed started Islam, the font and justification of modern terror. Islamofascists following Islam's dictates murder innocent women and children as a proper application of their religious requirements.

Therefore, Islam Sucks (as practiced by the extremists.)

There. I've insulted Islam (I hope.)

Muslims who insist that my freedom of conscience and speech "must never be allowed" put themselves permanently at war with me.

I refuse to be subjugated to their inordinate sensitivity.

9 posted on 02/07/2006 8:51:23 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Muhammed "consummated that marriage when she (Aisha) was nine years old." Bukhari vol.5:236 p.153.)
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To: SirLinksalot

It would not be too cynical to infer that multiculturalism has been pushed here by the Left precisely in order to kill America. Certainly multiculturalism was intended to subdue the older America -- the free and Christian and good America, as it was understood from colonial times.


10 posted on 02/07/2006 8:51:49 AM PST by T'wit (As they say: If you like the law, sausage or Bill Clinton, don't watch them being made.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Let's be honest: Multiculturalism can kill a nation

Pinkerton is going against the liberal canon by saying this. I am sure he will be mocked and decried by the establishment soon enough.

Even if, in this case, he is right.

11 posted on 02/07/2006 8:51:50 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Very odd for an American to be against multiculturalism as the US is the most multicultural nation! Perhaps he really means multireligional? Are the 5.2 million muslims in the US causing problems?


12 posted on 02/07/2006 8:52:14 AM PST by albionvectis
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To: SirLinksalot

13 posted on 02/07/2006 8:52:41 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: ken5050
You forgot the first rule of Islam.

It's OK to lie to an infidel.
14 posted on 02/07/2006 8:54:10 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: antiRepublicrat

This country is based on multiculturalism? Since when? Do we celebrate Hindu holidays? Do our courts operate using any other language than english? Read Ted Roosevelt's hyphenated American essay; that's the truly American point of view. It is time to lose the hyphen.


15 posted on 02/07/2006 8:54:42 AM PST by Reagan 76
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To: T'wit

If multiculturalism were inherently bad, and recognized as such by any rational person, why was it Europeans thought it useful to bring African slaves to America?


16 posted on 02/07/2006 8:57:27 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: SirLinksalot

America is a 'multicultural nation'? Who knew? I didn't get the memo! Oh yes, I remember, we have the Amish, and the odd hippie commune that doesn't subscribe to the shared cultural values, so I guess that makes us 'multi-culti', like France and Germany of today. Melting pot ain't multi-culti folks!


17 posted on 02/07/2006 8:57:33 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Reagan 76

"This country is based on multiculturalism? Since when?"

No kidding. Multi-culti happens when the melting pot is removed from the heat and no more melting occurs.


18 posted on 02/07/2006 8:58:08 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Reagan 76

The only reason you people speak English is that my country was overrun by illegal aliens.


19 posted on 02/07/2006 8:58:32 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Melting pot is fine. Multiculturalism is deadly.


20 posted on 02/07/2006 8:59:40 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Attempting to win the "hearts and minds" of people who have neither is indeed a dead end road.

Worth repeating.

21 posted on 02/07/2006 9:00:13 AM PST by Mordacious
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To: ken5050
One of the "states" in Germany has similar requirement. They question immigrant applicants to assure that they are not AQ friendly.

They also question them to assure that they are not homophobes! Progressive Europe takes a stand. /sarcasm

22 posted on 02/07/2006 9:02:01 AM PST by LK44-40
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To: Revolting cat!

Great picture and a small glimmer of hope in Germany. However, having lived there for the better part of 7 years it is safe to say that guys like this are considered a nazi, extremist, jack booted, thug by most of his fellow citizens.


23 posted on 02/07/2006 9:03:10 AM PST by frankiep
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To: SirLinksalot
I'm still a firm believer in the E pluribus unum melting pot.
24 posted on 02/07/2006 9:03:15 AM PST by RJL
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To: PeteB570
It the same thing the Reds did when they were getting their revolutions going. "The truth is anything that serves the movement."
25 posted on 02/07/2006 9:04:10 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is insanity.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Multiculturalism is fine. This country is based on it; Europeans, Asians, Arabs, Africans, Latin Americans all contributed to our culture as it is."

Err, no. This country isn't based on the idea that all cultures are equal. This country is based on the idea that there are innate rights human beings have as human beings simply. That isn't "multi-cultural" in the least.

26 posted on 02/07/2006 9:05:31 AM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: Reagan 76
This country is based on multiculturalism? Since when? Do we celebrate Hindu holidays?

Who knew?

27 posted on 02/07/2006 9:06:33 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SirLinksalot
... we need only look to Europe, where millions of Muslims have been allowed to immigrate without much thought given to their political and cultural integration into their host societies. In London, Muslims responding to the Danish cartoons chanted pro-jihad slogans and carried signs reading "7/7 is on its way" - a reference to the terror bombings last July 7 that killed 52 innocent Britons. That's not free speech; that's incitement to violence. A nation allowing such hostile populations to flourish in its midst is not defending liberty. It is enabling its own national suicide. Short of worldwide war, followed by occupation, there's not much the West can do about Muslim culture in Muslim lands. That's international multiculturalism, alas. But on the issue of intra-national multiculturalism, there's plenty we can do. We can monitor, we can insist upon political and cultural assimilation and we can impose strict controls on immigration and travel visas - down to zero if need be. <.I>

This guy "gets it".

28 posted on 02/07/2006 9:06:37 AM PST by GOPJ (NFL Super Bowl halftime - When groupies are rehearsed to look star-stuck, the thrill is gone.)
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To: muawiyah

Huh? They weren't imported for their culture.


29 posted on 02/07/2006 9:07:52 AM PST by T'wit (Martyr applicants: You will have only 72 virgins to last for all eternity. Deflower sparingly.)
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To: Brad Cloven

I've had it with the whole lot of them. I was in Afghanistan and happy to be doing some small part to help them rebuild and form a free government. But now I think that we should not spend one more second or dollar on helping any islamic country with anything at all. Just send out a worldwide alert that we will be cutting off all aid to every single islamic country and that the only way they will ever hear from us again is if a terrorist attack is conducted by someone who originated from within their borders, in which case their country will be completely and totally obliterated. No rebuilding is to be expected after the fact.


30 posted on 02/07/2006 9:07:58 AM PST by frankiep
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To: antiRepublicrat

I would disagree. Perhaps it is the way I see Multiculturalism.

From what I can tell, there are two distinct methods to introduce immigrants into an existing society: The Melting Pot Method, and the Multicultural Method.

The melting pot method requires immigrants to assimilate themselves to the society they are entering. They learn the language, customs and rules of the society they are entering. This, historically, is how any arrival has been integrated into a new environment, from a guest into a home to a person into a country. There is no requirement in most cases (but not all) to disown or denounce previous customs, languages or cultures, but they are generally not given the primal importance they had in the previous environment.

The Multicultural Method states that you do not need to assimilate. You can live exactly as you did from whatever environment you sprang from, you can keep your language, your customs, and even in some cases (most dangerously) your rules. Society is expected to value your uniqueness or "differentness" and bend over backwards to accomodate your characteristics.

I believe that the multicultural approach, with bilingual education, driver's license applications in 40 languages, required intepreters on demand in any language in every hospital, and so on.


31 posted on 02/07/2006 9:08:49 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: albionvectis
Very odd for an American to be against multiculturalism as the US is the most multicultural nation!

Perhaps you are confusing mulicuturalism with E pluribus unum and America's melting pot, they are very different.

32 posted on 02/07/2006 9:09:19 AM PST by RJL
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To: RJL
I'm still a firm believer in the E pluribus unum melting pot.

I am a "melting pot man," myself.

But there is no chance to succeed either as a melting pot, a salad bowl, or any other recipe if you are adding too much of one new ingrediant at the same time. Or if that particular ingrediant is reluctant to melt for religious reason, reconquista notions or whatever.

It is critical to maintain the essence of what has made the culture successful while refreshing it with new ingredients at the margins.

33 posted on 02/07/2006 9:09:20 AM PST by LK44-40
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To: muawiyah

And of course that didn't cause any problems for us now did it? </sarc>


34 posted on 02/07/2006 9:10:08 AM PST by frankiep
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To: ken5050
Any future Muslim immigrant to any Western country, including those applying for asylum, should, before be admitted, be shown all these cartoons and asked to sign a statement sasyign that they understand that this freedom of the press is the norm in their newly adopted country, or they can be sent back immediately..

Or stay. But if they stay it's under the rules of our country. If their home countries with their secret police, fake elections, and oppression of almost everyone is so wonderful, why are they leaving?

35 posted on 02/07/2006 9:12:25 AM PST by GOPJ (NFL Super Bowl halftime - When groupies are rehearsed to look star-stuck, the thrill is gone.)
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To: LK44-40

Ah yes, that would be Baden Wurtemburg. Widely considered to be the second most "conservative" state in Germany (next to Bavaria).


36 posted on 02/07/2006 9:12:45 AM PST by frankiep
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To: antiRepublicrat

Multiculturalism and melting pot are not the same thing.

"Multiculturalism" is a FORCED effort to bring different "parts" together without those "parts" ever melding or blending or assimilating even slightly. Also, "multiculturalism" thrives on pointing out those differences.

"Melting pot" is when those different parts come together naturally, and each different part takes on a little of the other parts it's come together with while still retaining at least the essence of that part's origins.

It's like the difference between a couple getting married, each individual giving up their 750 sq foot apartments, and the two people trying to jam all their goods and furniture into a single 750 sq foot apartment....2 TVs next to each other; 2 refrigerators in the kitchen, 2 dining tables in the dining room, 2 stoves in the kitchen, rather than doing a natural give and take and "MELDING" their households together.


37 posted on 02/07/2006 9:16:02 AM PST by hispanarepublicana (Chuck Cooperstein is a tool.)
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To: rlmorel

You said what I tried to say in my post in a much more eloquent manner. Perhaps you've had more coffee than I have today?


38 posted on 02/07/2006 9:16:46 AM PST by hispanarepublicana (Chuck Cooperstein is a tool.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
EID is not a Hindu Holiday.

That would be rather like calling Thanksgiving an American Indian Holiday.

Gad!

39 posted on 02/07/2006 9:19:05 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: ken5050
Better yet. dont assimilate any muslims until WWIII is won and in the history books. You cant trust these fanatics worth dog slobber.
40 posted on 02/07/2006 9:19:07 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: muawiyah

Actually I intended to italicise the first sentence. That comment was not mine. I was making a reply.

Eid is celebrated in America, officially, IIRC. The White House hosts an Islamic Iftaar Party. IIRC again.


41 posted on 02/07/2006 9:21:11 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SirLinksalot

This Nation was founded on Unity, not cultural diversity. Somewhere along the way we let the Liberals destroy the Unity and replace it with a ten headed monster.


42 posted on 02/07/2006 9:22:34 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: richardtavor

True.


43 posted on 02/07/2006 9:23:33 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Nah, just beat you to it! We are on the same page...it is an easy thing to get those two types of things mixed up.

I see it as one of the most important issues that we need to face. I am an advocate of immigration, I think it is what made our country great, and I mean it. We are all mutts here. Heck, I am French, Irish, Armenian and Italian. But I am not for allowing uncontrolled illegal immigration, and I am all for requiring English language skills to be learned to function in the USA. It is what ties us together.

Ted Kennedy's involvement with immigration back in the Sixties is what really did the damage. Can we undo it? Only if we have the will to do so.


45 posted on 02/07/2006 9:24:05 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: SirLinksalot

the worst newspaper in the free world publishes a sane article on the dangers of multiculturalism. I think people must be getting it.


46 posted on 02/07/2006 9:29:41 AM PST by bilhosty
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To: MarneyK
What's happened, I think, is that people have mistaken pluralism for multi-culturalism. But the reason the West is pluralistic has nothing to do with the tenets of multi-culturalism and everything to do with the natural rights philosophy of the Enlightenment.

What the Left has done, of course, is to play the game of dialectic here. Multi-culturalism is the antithesis of natural rights and pluralism. It ends in tribalism.

47 posted on 02/07/2006 9:30:06 AM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: LK44-40
It is critical to maintain the essence of what has made the culture successful while refreshing it with new ingredients at the margins.

Exactly!

48 posted on 02/07/2006 9:42:34 AM PST by RJL
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To: albionvectis
The U S has always been Multi-Ethnic, or Multi-Racial, but they have basically adopted our culture, therefore we have not been multi-cultural in that sense. It is only recently, under the liberals push have the races and nationalities not adopted our culture. "Multi-Cultural Society" is an oxymoron if you go by the common definition of Society = "A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture."
49 posted on 02/07/2006 9:43:28 AM PST by Forrestfire (("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt))
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To: SirLinksalot
DOWN WITH CULTURE!

Support
NULLticulturalism!


n. the belief that all cultures are equally worthless and deserving of unrelenting sadistic ridicule


It should be obvious that our effort to influence Muslim public opinion in a positive way has reached a dead end. That is, we advocate democratization but get Islamization. That process empowers the likes of Hamas in Palestine and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran.

Democratization of the Middle East is still a good thing. If they democratically elect terrorist leaders, as opposed to having terrorists foisted on them, then we can kill everybody with a clear conscience!
50 posted on 02/07/2006 9:43:53 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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