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Judge Backs Pharmacist Sanctions (He Refused to Dispense Birth Control)
Madison.com via AP Wire ^ | February 8, 2006 | Staff Writer from AP

Posted on 02/08/2006 2:00:13 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

BARRON, WI (AP) - A judge has upheld sanctions against a pharmacist who refused to dispense birth control pills to a college student and wouldn't transfer her prescription elsewhere.

Barron County Circuit Judge James Babler affirmed the punishment the state Pharmacy Examining Board handed down against pharmacist Neil Noesen. The board ruled last April that Noesen failed to carry out his responsibility to get the prescription to someone else if he wouldn't fill it himself.

The board reprimanded Noesen, of St. Paul, Minn., and ordered him to attend ethics classes. He will get to keep his license if he informs all future employers in writing he won't dispense birth control pills and the steps he would take to make sure a patient has access to medication. He was also found liable for the cost of the proceedings against him, which came to about $20,000.

He was working as a substitute pharmacist at a Menomonie Kmart in 2002 when a University of Wisconsin-Stout student came in to refill her birth control pills. Noesen testified he asked her whether she would use the pills for contraception, and he refused to help her or return the prescription when she answered yes.

Noesen told the board he is a devout Roman Catholic. He said he refused to refill the pills or release her prescription to another pharmacy because he didn't want to commit a sin.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: conscienceclause; contraceptives; cultureofduh; pharmacy; ruling; workplace
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To: MeanWestTexan

I had missed the part where he wouldn't let her transfer her prescription


221 posted on 02/09/2006 3:28:05 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: Dave S

You don't let your boss know when something is a problem for you? You're right, you owe your employer whatever services he or she requires, but we are not hearing of the actions that the employer took against him.


222 posted on 02/09/2006 3:30:10 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: Hildy

I had noted in a later post that I'd missed that he refused to transfer the prescription so my comments were updated accordingly.


223 posted on 02/09/2006 3:31:34 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: joesbucks

Right, but your conversation is with your boss. You are supposed to let your boss know if you have a problem with some part of your job. Your boss is then supposed to handle it-- either say, sorry you are not working out or okay, here's the procedure when someone asks and you are on duty.


224 posted on 02/09/2006 3:33:34 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: joesbucks

I went back to make sure that I didn't miss any actions taken by KMart against the substitute pharmacist and the article makes no mention.

As a nonsequitur, pharmacists are in short supply and can command pretty hefty salaries. I wonder why this guy was only a substitute?


225 posted on 02/09/2006 4:24:37 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: TAdams8591
Some forms of birth control, but not ALL, are abortifacients. They prevent implantation and expel the egg after it has already united with the sperm. Since many of us believe life begins at conception, this kind of birth control is killing babies.

Many of you, not all, and maybe not even a majority of Americans, believe that birth control is of the same level of 'sin' as surgical abortion. This pharmacist overstepped his bounds and was rightly called on it. He's not a martyr, he's simply trying to impose his beliefs on the rest of society.
226 posted on 02/09/2006 6:36:36 AM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: BritExPatInFla
No, he didn't "over step his bounds." He is not morally and ethicaly bound to fill the prescription and contibute to an act he believes is wrong and he is not trying to impose anything on her. She can go elsewhere.

Abortifacients kill. Other forms of birthcontrol do NOT.

Non-abortifacient birthcontrol is most definitely NOT on the same level as sin as a surgical abortion, and in some Christian denominations and other religions, it's use is not considered a sin at all.

227 posted on 02/09/2006 6:50:30 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: epow

You're a liar and a coward.


228 posted on 02/09/2006 7:07:30 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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229 posted on 02/09/2006 7:23:01 AM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: TheBrotherhood

"Birth control pills don't medicate - they kill."

For some women, they keep them out of extreme pain and misery every month. Too bad they don't have a pill that negates the effect of ignorant statements made by religious zealots wishing to exert their misguided opinions on those seeking relief from pain and discomfort due to their gender.


230 posted on 02/09/2006 8:54:19 AM PST by Woman on Caroline Street (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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To: RunningWolf

"//Using the explicit criteria established by Religion, one can find that Christ, muhammed, charles manson and satan worshippers are all equally "correct."//"

I've seen this idiotic post before. Thanks for reposting it. It may help others reading your posts of how illogical and anti-Christian these evolutionists are.

Remember that first and foremost evolutionists are intent on the destuction of Christianity and our Western way of life. Many others have made the same or similar prognosis regarding their agenda.

My heartfelt thanks to you for countering and uncovering the evolutionists' true agenda.

Keep up the great work. It may seem at first in vain and useless to spend time arguing with their dogma, but it's is not. It's time well spent.


231 posted on 02/09/2006 8:57:32 AM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: RunningWolf

Sorry.

I thought we were in the crevo threads. But the post is well worth a read.


232 posted on 02/09/2006 9:04:48 AM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

"The drugs themselves have legal value and taking those would be theft. But the prescription paper itself doesn't carry any value in and of itself."

I beg to differ. One cannot just call up their doctor and ask them to call in a prescription. Especially for birth control. Most doctors, if they are worth their salt, will want to SEE you before they prescribe any medication. So that little piece of worthless paper usually means ponying up a co-pay and losing time at work. I don't know what you pay for an insruance co-pay, but I just forked out $25 to mine to have her tell me I need an antibiotic for a respiratory infection.

Maybe you don't have to pay, though. Maybe YOU are on welfare and have no co-pay because taxpayers pick it up so you can sit home and pop out babies on my dime. That's what it sounds like to me.

And if a pharmacist ever asked me if I was going to use BCP for contraception, I'd ask him if he asked all of his male customers buying hand lotion and tissues if they're using it for masturbation purposes. You do know that every sperm is sacred, right?


233 posted on 02/09/2006 9:12:48 AM PST by Woman on Caroline Street (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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To: TheBrotherhood
Thats okay, for a gross percentage of the ideologies flow from the same core.

Wolf
234 posted on 02/09/2006 9:15:40 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: TheBrotherhood
What is it with these people?

Forms of 'birth control' that happen during or after conception its real simple. Myself I think all forms of birth control during or after conception may cause the loss of a child's life, a human soul. And yes this may be abortion at the unseen level.

The Bible (of which I am no pundit) says that the woman bears a child nothing else. Again its real simple.

Wolf
235 posted on 02/09/2006 10:10:05 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: epow
still think the girl was outraged to discover that someone actually doesn't condone her lifestyle and decided to make the man pay for what she probably believes are his extremist Christian beliefs

It's none of his business.

My wife was prescribed birth control pills for a short time to help regulate blood flow due to endometriosis. If a little creep pharmacist had asked her if she were using the pills for contraception, I'd have gone down to the pharmacy and told him where to get off.

Should this zealot have stopped people from buying condoms from the pharmacy, too?

236 posted on 02/09/2006 10:18:42 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: epow
The girl was punishing a man whose moral code offends her and who doesn't condone her lifestyle by taking a minuscule incident before a court of law, pure and simple.

And the pharmacist was punishing a girl whose moral code offended him.

He gets to do it but she doesn't?

237 posted on 02/09/2006 10:20:44 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: epow

No, the Judge is not the idiot. The Pharmacist doesn't have to fill the prescription but HE DOES HAVE TO TRANSFER IT to someone who will.


238 posted on 02/09/2006 10:23:02 AM PST by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: JCEccles

No, the Judge is not the idiot. The Pharmacist doesn't have to fill the prescription but HE DOES HAVE TO TRANSFER IT to someone who will.


239 posted on 02/09/2006 10:23:48 AM PST by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This story seems to be missing something....it seems beyond the pale for some reason.

Birth control? Abortion pill, maybe...but birth control?

Maybe they knew each other, maybe he's crazy, maybe this is bad recounting of the story, but somehow, we're missing something.

Or...the pharmacist is just stupid.


240 posted on 02/09/2006 10:26:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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