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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Forget the Christian Crusades and the colonization of THEIR land, huh?

But out of curiosity, how did that land become theirs in the first place? What, they just convinced everyone to become a Muslim in those lands, right?

I'm really tired of the Crusades being represented the way they are. As if it were wholly a Christian aggression campaign.

If we in Christian nations destroyed 10,000 mosques in an area probably no larger than Texas, we'd probably be hearing from our Muslim buddies, too.


5 posted on 02/09/2006 11:50:04 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress
The Muslims "convinced" them the same way they spread Islam everywhere - by blood and fire. Those areas were once majority Christian; the small Christian "dhimmi" population that remained was under constant assault, and the Christian holy places were effectively off limits to Christian pilgrims. Furthermore, Muslim marauders constantly kidnapped and enslaved Christians from other parts of the Mediterranean area; at varous points, there were entire religious orders dedicated to ransoming them, sometimes by exchanging their own members for kidnapped Christians.

In other words, the religion of peace was acting as it always does, but at the time of the Crusades, for various internal political reasons, it had become even more extreme and Christians were motivated to fight back. Here's a little from the Catholic Encyclopedia on hostage ransom, btw:

The redemption of captives has always been regarded in the Church as a work of mercy, as is abundantly testified by many lives of saints who devoted themselves to this task. The period of the Crusades, when so many Christians were in danger of falling into the hands of infidels, witnessed the rise of religious orders vowed exclusively to this pious work. In the thirteenth century there is mention of an order of Montjoie, founded for this purpose in Spain, but its existence was brief, as it was established in 1180 and united in 1221 with the Order of Calatrava. Another Spanish order prospered better; this was founded in the thirteenth century by St Peter Nolasco under the title of Our Lady of Mercy (de la Merced), whence the name Mercedarians. It soon spread widely from Aragon, and has still several houses at Rome, in Italy, Spain, and the old Spanish colonies. Finally, the Order of Trinitarians, which exists to the present day, had at first no other object, as is recalled by the primitive title: "Ordo S. Trinitatis et de redemptione captivorum".

27 posted on 02/10/2006 5:13:36 AM PST by livius
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