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Solar thermal starts to shine in world's deserts
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 2/10/06 | Timothy Gardner

Posted on 02/10/2006 11:18:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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No mention of nuclear power and its cost effectiveness.
1 posted on 02/10/2006 11:18:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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They could have at least mentioned that nuclear works better at night.


2 posted on 02/10/2006 11:35:02 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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They'll just run it off of moonlight then.


3 posted on 02/10/2006 11:37:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: NormsRevenge

Nuclear power will be a lot better prospect once one of those Western states agrees to let the rest of the country store our spent fuel in their state underground. As I understand it they worry that a major earthquake could cause leakage into the ground water.


4 posted on 02/10/2006 11:56:12 PM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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To: NormsRevenge

Environmentalists: "Sure, we're for 'solar' power and 'wind' power, but don't you dare mar our fragile desert ecosystems with evil power plants. And take down those ugly bird-killing windmills, too!"


5 posted on 02/11/2006 12:00:14 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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"...$150 million, 100-megawatt power plant..."

$1.50 per watt of generation for infrastructure (if true) is extremely inexpensive I would think. Of course it only works for maybe 8 hours a day making it idle the remaining 16 hours a day. That makes the return on investment take substantially longer to realize...
6 posted on 02/11/2006 1:13:51 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: NormsRevenge

don't believe everything you read,

150 MW is the sum of the 140 MW 'backup' gas powered
generator, plus the output of the
solar 10 MW main generator.

or something like that,


7 posted on 02/11/2006 2:35:15 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes, ha.ha.ha.

This is part of the unavoidable.

This is part of the new world.

Solar/Steam plants in large desert enclaves, all over the world.

Beaming energy off the upper layers of the atmosphere, just like we do radio waves now.

We could do this around the north pole. 23 hours of daylight is being ignored.
The technology is available.


8 posted on 02/11/2006 3:39:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Low-swooping Hawk)
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California could use the Death Valley area to provide power-generating stations that would be virtually out of sight.

Whoops, I forgot. There is probably a lizzard or rat out there that might go extinct if humans were allowed within 50 miles of it.


9 posted on 02/11/2006 8:21:50 AM PST by wildbill
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Nuclear power will be a lot better prospect once one of those Western states agrees to let the rest of the country store our spent fuel in their state underground.

I used to be like you, living on the East coast and thinking of the rest of the country as "those Western states". I've heard that even people in the federal government talk about getting rid of nuclear waste "out west". But once you actually live in one of those western states, the idea of being a nuclear fuel dump for the rest of the country doesn't look so attractive.

10 posted on 02/11/2006 8:59:48 AM PST by wideminded
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There are probably lots of lizards and rats that would thrive in the shade of the cells, be happy for a square foot of shade out of the sun...


11 posted on 02/11/2006 11:47:35 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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did you ever notice that most of the 'endangered' critters that trigger 'no growth' lawsuits by the moonbat greenies are always in the West?

Apparently there aren't any spiders, minnows or bugs that need protection in the Eastern part of the country?


12 posted on 02/11/2006 12:34:17 PM PST by wildbill
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No mention of nuclear power and its cost effectiveness.

Two points - first, we should learn to exploit energy where it presents itself.

And second, try to amortize the cost of nuclear when the waste has to be stored for 10,000 years (and the Pyramids are half that age).

13 posted on 02/11/2006 12:36:12 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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did you ever notice that most of the 'endangered' critters that trigger 'no growth' lawsuits by the moonbat greenies are always in the West?

Last I checked, the Snail Darter was in the Tennesseee River basin (not that I agree with the Endangered Species Act).

14 posted on 02/11/2006 12:37:08 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course you know that when these solar plants become effective, the Environmental Nazis will complain about how they threaten some spider or turtle. Or how they are heating up the atmosphere. The end result is that the Environmentalist want us to live in caves, or just kill ourselves.


15 posted on 02/11/2006 12:40:42 PM PST by Exton1
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To: gleeaikin

Another big lie is about nuclear waste. The waste need to provide energy for a family of four or 20 years would fit in a shoe box. If it is recycled the waste would be reduced to a the size of a cigarette pack. ALSO, because of half-life decay it is only really dangerous to living things for about 20 years. After that the radioactivity drops to background levels.


16 posted on 02/11/2006 12:43:44 PM PST by Exton1
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I believe that was the first time the environuts used their power to save a animal from extinction. It caused such a ruckus in the MSM that I don't think they have used the EPA in the East very much if at all.

Can you think of any? I can name several in Texas including:

1. a cave-residing spider (stopping development in the Hill country outside of San Antonio)
2. some snail darters in a San Marcos spring (which had completely dried up in the 50s)to 'protect' the spring, causing the underground water supply of several million people to be limited. Cost around 5 billion for those 23 minnows to be protected.
3.stopping farmers/ranchers from removing cedar trees from their land, a tree which is not native to Texas and migrated from Mexico and robs the soil of needed water to protect a bird which only nests in that certain tree which is not native to Texas but migrated north from Mexico along with the tree in the last century.


17 posted on 02/11/2006 3:43:00 PM PST by wildbill
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Apparently there aren't any spiders, minnows or bugs that need protection in the Eastern part of the country?

Driven or killed off long ago.
18 posted on 02/11/2006 3:48:09 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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3.stopping farmers/ranchers from removing cedar trees from their land, a tree which is not native to Texas and migrated from Mexico and robs the soil of needed water to protect a bird which only nests in that certain tree which is not native to Texas but migrated north from Mexico along with the tree in the last century.

Would that be what we know out here as the Salt Cedar...a/k/a/ Tamarisk?

They're horrendously ugly and suck up tons of deep water.

19 posted on 02/11/2006 3:48:48 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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Why this nation does not proclaim that nuclear and all known domestic petroleum fields will be exploited, due to national security concerns, is beyond understanding.
20 posted on 02/11/2006 3:53:31 PM PST by Thumper1960 (The enemy within: Demoncrats and DSA.ORG Sedition is a Liberal "family value".)
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