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A Local Family Facing A Life Or Death Decision For A Toddler
KAKE-TV ^ | 2/09/06 | Cayle Thompson

Posted on 02/11/2006 12:30:34 AM PST by kathsua

A Local Family Facing A Life Or Death Decision For A Toddler Feb. 9

The power of prayer and the race against time. The family of a local toddler who nearly drowned is fighting a new battle, one that may require a life or death decision.

Life hangs in the balance for two-year-old Brett Shively. Family and friends turn to a higher power for support. They have set up a website http://web.mac.com/brettjr/iWeb/Pray%20for%20Brett%20Jr/Welcome.html dedicated to the toddler and the power of prayer.

His family makes a passionate plea for people to pray like they've never prayed before. The doctor told them, "I am here to serve the living." He has already written off Junior as dead.

Two-year-old Brett Shively nearly drowned in a bathtub at a Haysville home on Saturday. Paramedics rushed him to the hospital, not breathing. At Wesley, doctors revived him and he has been critical ever since.

Pictures on the website show his tiny body with tubes keeping him alive. Now Brett's family says they are in a race against time.

Paperwork states that the hospital or parents can get a second opinion from another doctor according to the web log. If that opinion lines up with the first doctor's then the first doctor can override what the parents say and do what he wants.

Wesley Medical Center says that is not the case. All of this is in reference to little Brett's life support. Online, the family says they now have 72 hours to find a second opinion that says Brett will live.

We tried to contact the Shively's through their church. The Living Word Outreach on Hillside has supported the family around the clock. A spokesman said nobody could speak on camera.

We also contacted Wesley Medical Center, which gave us this statement:

"We understand this tragic accident has left this family distraught, and patients and families are entitled to a second opinion if they disagree with their attending physician. The medical staff will use appropriate testing to determine the Shively baby's level of functioning and will discuss the results with the family before any action is taken."

Brett's family calls him a very affectionate child, loving hugs and never turning away kisses. He has an older brother & sister, ages four and five. They and thousands more are praying for a miracle.

Thursday doctors will sit down with the family and go over options at hand. Bret will turn three years old on February 24th.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethic; brettshively; chooselife; coma; euthanasia; neardrown; prolife
What should doctors be able to make unilateral decisions about a baby's life? Is this doctor prejudiced or possibly just doesn't know enough about treating a baby in this condition?
1 posted on 02/11/2006 12:30:35 AM PST by kathsua
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To: kathsua
i made the link clickable... http://web.mac.com/brettjr/iWeb/Pray%20for%20Brett%20Jr/Welcome.html
2 posted on 02/11/2006 12:47:45 AM PST by ferri (Be Politically Incorrect: Support the Constitution!)
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To: kathsua

This doc should have gotten a second opinion on vocational choices.


3 posted on 02/11/2006 12:47:47 AM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: kathsua

...that link doesn't work :(


4 posted on 02/11/2006 12:48:54 AM PST by ferri (Be Politically Incorrect: Support the Constitution!)
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To: ferri
http://web.mac.com/brettjr/iWeb/ okay, this one works but only if you copy/paste it to your browser. weird.
5 posted on 02/11/2006 12:53:03 AM PST by ferri (Be Politically Incorrect: Support the Constitution!)
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To: ferri

http://web.mac.com/brettjr/iWeb/Pray%20for%20Brett%20Jr/Welcome.html


6 posted on 02/11/2006 12:53:59 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 31-69)
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To: ferri
Here ya go
7 posted on 02/11/2006 12:55:21 AM PST by spunkets
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To: kathsua
The docs can't pull the tubes unless the baby is really essentially dead. The parents don't have the insurance, or the assets to cover the costs and no other hospital is willing to take the case.

I can't see how anyone would let a 2y/o drown in the bathtub. Looks like the baby was not breathing for a long time.

8 posted on 02/11/2006 12:59:11 AM PST by spunkets
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To: kathsua
Tremendous sympathy for the parents. Either would die in an instant to save their little boy. It is more than the mind can bear.

Really serious brain damage from anoxia means power ventilation (breathing machine) and kidney failure shortly. When the docs say "critical" it means the vital signs are unstable and intervention is continuous. Survival without literally a "Lazarus, Come Forth!" miracle is as likely as drawing an inside royal flush twice in a row.

Oh yes, welcome to the world of triage. Coming soon to you and I both.

Another thing, usually in a situation like this the parents are not told. A tiny shift in potassium - sodium balance, in blood pH, or even a moment's inattention is all it takes. It sounds like the kid is getting a full blood work up every 15 minutes or half hour. Probably keeping him from dying no matter what is done medically is getting really hard.

Sorry. A few days at most before the heart cannot be restarted. Same thing is happening to Ariel Sharon. Humans are weak and the best doctors helpless against death.

Those poor parents. What a personality shattering thing.

9 posted on 02/11/2006 1:01:02 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: kathsua
I pray for the baby and family, that the hand of Our Lord and Saviour cradles them, so they are at peace with whatever the outcome.

I also pray that a doctor that would make a statement such as this The doctor told them, "I am here to serve the living." He has already written off Junior as dead put a knee down and ask forgiveness before he ever touches another child, and that much wiser and competent physicians take his place.

Even if the child's prognosis is dire, he should immediately recuse himself from this case, if for no other reason than to save the hospital millions of dollars.

Put the question in front of a jury, was the doctor likely to exert every option, seek guidance from every expert, conduct every test to save this child, or did his comments betray the fact that he had given up and wasn't going to bother anymore.

10 posted on 02/11/2006 1:12:50 AM PST by 4woodenboats (The GOP was created by those opposed to Southern Democrat Plantation Slavery...)
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To: kathsua

Looks like keeping the parents alive may get tough. Can expect cycling depressions of the most extreme sort. Someone will have to watch them continuously as they fully realize what has happened.

Looking back I can see I sound callous. This is not the case. If a doctor (I am not one) cannot write off the dead he won't last. Doctors see people die every day that they care about.

The little lad's parents are different. The "what ifs", the "if I had been doing the my job he would still be alive" times will never end as long as life endures.


11 posted on 02/11/2006 1:14:01 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: 4woodenboats

What you say about lawsuits is correct.

It is obvious to me that the doctor is really suffering over this, by the way. Nothing like the parents are, of course.

Bet you a nickel the young doc (most everybody is young nowadays, or maybe I am getting old) has worked really hard to save the child. Indeed, he is here to serve the living, because he cannot serve the dead. He has to be ready to help the next person as much as he is able.

Most hospitals (larger ones, anyway) have a designated person who is good at helping grieving family in times like this. That job would tear me to pieces.


12 posted on 02/11/2006 1:25:23 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: 4woodenboats
I also pray that a doctor that would make a statement such as this The doctor told them, "I am here to serve the living." He has already written off Junior as dead put a knee down and ask forgiveness before he ever touches another child, and that much wiser and competent physicians take his place.

I looked at the updates link on Junior's site and it says the doc has apologized for saying that and is now committed to doing whatever it takes! :o) Thank God for that, huh? That would be a crappy thing to hear from a doctor!
13 posted on 02/11/2006 1:25:33 AM PST by misty4jc
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To: 8mmMauser; T'wit; amdgmary; Lesforlife

BioDeathics ping...


14 posted on 02/11/2006 1:47:32 AM PST by TheSarce (The Silent Majority is finding its voice. It goes to ELEVEN!)
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To: misty4jc; trussell
I just read the whole blog, and today was critical, they needed a divine intervention, as the hospital now had grounds (3 docs agreement) to unplug the child, and they got it! Also, the swelling in his eyes is going down.

I don't know whether he'll make it or not, but he just got a "stay" for 72 hours. 3 days, and hundreds of people praying for Junior, count me in.

15 posted on 02/11/2006 1:50:21 AM PST by 4woodenboats (The GOP was created by those opposed to Southern Democrat Plantation Slavery...)
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To: hocndoc

This family appears to be in Wichita, Kansas. Do you have any contacts there who could help them navigate the minefield?


16 posted on 02/11/2006 1:51:58 AM PST by TheSarce (The Silent Majority is finding its voice. It goes to ELEVEN!)
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To: kathsua

Prayers from TX


17 posted on 02/11/2006 1:54:38 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: kathsua; 4woodenboats; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; abletruth; Accountable One; Aeronaut; AKA Elena; ..
Prayer ping.

Please post your replies to kathsua


kathsua, My prayers going up for Brett Shively and his family. God's healing for Brett...God's comfort for his family.  

Blessings,
trussell


If you want on/off my prayer ping list, please let me know. All requests happily honored.

18 posted on 02/11/2006 1:59:51 AM PST by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are great!)
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To: 4woodenboats

Thank you for the ping.


19 posted on 02/11/2006 2:00:33 AM PST by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are great!)
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To: 4woodenboats

Big prayers up for Junior!


20 posted on 02/11/2006 2:19:46 AM PST by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: kathsua
May God watch over this little one and guide those who care for him. May He build a shield of protection around him, and restore him to health in His service, in Jesus' name.

Carolyn

21 posted on 02/11/2006 2:40:39 AM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: kathsua

Prayers for the child, and for the family and for all parents of infants and toddlers. A bath IS a life or death decision. There's not much info on how he "accidentally" drowned, so the first assumption is naturally that he was alone.

IMHO, if one tests God either willfully or carelessly, the answer to one's prayers is not likely to be the one anticipated or desired.


22 posted on 02/11/2006 3:42:15 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Never underestimate the speed in which the thin veneer of civilization can be stripped away.)
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To: kathsua

"The doctor told them, 'I am here to serve the living'."

Whoa! Pretty cold statement to make to the parents of a child in this condition. No matter the outcome of this case, there is something to be said about a kind bedside manner.


23 posted on 02/11/2006 3:43:05 AM PST by Mila
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To: spunkets
The docs can't pull the tubes unless the baby is really essentially dead.

According to the website, one of the prayer requests is for activity in the "central part" of the baby's brain.

Very sad situation, but I also have trouble understanding how a not-quite-two-year-old is just "found" floating face down in a bathtub. Was he left in the tub? Did he fill it up & get in there himself?

24 posted on 02/11/2006 3:56:52 AM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: TheSarce; kathsua
Thanks for letting us know. Our prayers today are for this poor child and parents and for wisdom for the doctors.

Pinged from Terri February Dailies

8mm

25 posted on 02/11/2006 4:32:10 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

What's with all the numerology? Is that a big thing with some Christians? I realize that the family must be stricken with grief, but the author of the website does not strike me as being a rational person.


26 posted on 02/11/2006 5:11:03 AM PST by August West (To each according to his ability, from each according to his need...)
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To: August West

Numerology?

I am a traditional Catholic myself, didn't notice any numerology or glossed over it, as of not much meaning to me.


27 posted on 02/11/2006 5:20:29 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: kathsua

Oh Lord we pray for this little precious boy who is fighting for his life. No one knows what life is but you Lord and I ask you for healing for this little child. Please don't let the doctors make the decision to end his life. If little Junior is to pass away let it be because you called him home. But Lord we ask that you save this child's life and ask for a miracle quickly to spare his life. We praise you and thank You for all that You do! AMEN!


28 posted on 02/11/2006 6:23:59 AM PST by Halls (Dallas County, Texas, but my heart is in East Texas!)
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To: Amelia

I hope the baby comes through.

As far as the tub goes, he was either in it, or fell over the side into a full tub. He was left alone. That's something I never did.


29 posted on 02/11/2006 6:27:04 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets

You never leave a 2 year old in a bathtub on it's own for any amount of time. We still monitor our almost 4 years olds baths since he has been known to slip under the water and get swallow a bit accidentally. We never leave the bathroom when he is bathing and always are watching!

Now, my opinion on this little boy is that I have gone over the blog and his status. The doctors are saying this boy is brain dead. I know this is tough for the parents to accept but if there is no brain activity their likely isn't going to be any. The child is probably gone.

BUT, i believe it is up to the parents to decide when to let go, not the doctors. If the child had some brain activity he would have a chance, but it doesn't appear Junior has any at all. It is sad really. I hope the parents can accept the awful truth of the situation and the doctors back off and let the parents deal with this slowly. No one should be allowed to just pull a plug on a child until the parents agree to it.


30 posted on 02/11/2006 6:36:19 AM PST by Halls (Dallas County, Texas, but my heart is in East Texas!)
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To: CDHart

Amen.


31 posted on 02/11/2006 6:50:33 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (We may not be here for a long time, but hopefully it will be a good time.)
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To: kathsua

I join in urgent prayer for this child and his loved ones!


32 posted on 02/11/2006 6:57:13 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: kathsua

May the Lord Jesus provide comfort and resolution to this precious human being.


33 posted on 02/11/2006 7:20:07 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: kathsua

What a quandry. I will pray.


34 posted on 02/11/2006 7:22:11 AM PST by tiki
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To: kathsua

Prayers for this precious baby.


35 posted on 02/11/2006 7:54:36 AM PST by murphyb (Mommy of 4)
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To: kathsua

My prayers are with this child today, and with his family, that the Lord will intercede and grant this child a miracle.


36 posted on 02/11/2006 8:12:37 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Halls

I'm not sure what to believe when a doctor (or even group of doctors) says someone is brain dead. They have been known to be wrong. Repeatedly. On the other hand, these parents seem to be conceding that Junior is dead, and they're praying for God to bring him back to life. I'm praying for proper guidance for all involved. If Junior is alive, I pray nobody kills him. If he's dead, I pray his family is comforted.


37 posted on 02/11/2006 10:11:06 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Halls
"if there is no brain activity their likely isn't going to be any. "

That's correct. I'd be sorry to hear that.

" i believe it is up to the parents to decide when to let go, not the doctors."

There are 2 possibilities here. If the child is brain dead, there is no money to cover keeping whatever flesh is alive. The law says the parents have a certain amount of time to find a hospital willing to keep the flesh alive, else the hospital will pull the plug regardless. It won't be just one doc. They'll have a slew of them and probably a govm't doc.

If they can't call brain dead, then they have to keep the child alive, until the parents call it.

"doctors back off"

I'm sure they'll give it plenty of time. As I said, there'll be a whole slew of docs. Unless the child is really dead. There would be nothing they could do to prevent decay.

38 posted on 02/11/2006 11:30:01 AM PST by spunkets
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To: kathsua

I pray for Brett, Jr. and his family that the doctors will have true wisdom, and that there will be comfort at this very difficult time. Jesus, you are the Great Physician! Help heal all the woundedness in that ICU room of Brett's.


39 posted on 02/11/2006 1:11:43 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: BykrBayb
If Junior is alive, I pray nobody kills him. If he's dead, I pray his family is comforted.

Ditto, and amen!

40 posted on 02/11/2006 1:13:19 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: kathsua

Our prayers for this sweet child and for his parents. We ask for yet another miracle from God to save and heal this little one.

Our love and hugs......

"TT", Beth & Nana


41 posted on 02/11/2006 3:35:00 PM PST by Texas Termite (We have a new star in the heavens :))
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To: spunkets

Updates available on the link provided by spunkets in post # 7.


42 posted on 02/11/2006 10:47:33 PM PST by 4woodenboats (The GOP was created by those opposed to Southern Democrat Plantation Slavery...)
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Prayers for Brett Shively and those around him.


43 posted on 02/12/2006 12:10:45 AM PST by syriacus (--------- Jimmy Carter is the world's only self-canonized saint. ----------)
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To: August West

Do you mean where the website writer talked about the number 3? And mentioned it was day 7- a day of rest like in the Creation account? I don't think that is numerology (the practice of fortelling the future by the study of supposedly meaningful numbers).

There are some numbers that do appear often in the Word. Like 3, 7, 40, etc. I think that Christians are mindful that they are repeated in the Bible, but don't use them to tell the future, or give them undue significance.


44 posted on 02/12/2006 12:35:54 AM PST by Reddy
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To: Reddy

Perhaps Numerology is not the proper term. What I meant was that the writer kept harping on how it was the 5th or 6th day and how one was a day for mankind, another for God, etc. It seemed like superstition to me. It would seem to me, that such such superstitious people would believe whatever religion they were exposed to and not believe in it as a result of rational conviction. That being said, I truly pray that the child pulls through.


45 posted on 02/12/2006 2:26:54 AM PST by August West (To each according to his ability, from each according to his need...)
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