Skip to comments.Vice-President Burr Kills Hamilton (history primer for upcoming Cheney comparisons)
Posted on 02/14/2006 11:29:19 AM PST by clawrence3
Perhaps this duel is the most famous in history. Its results certainly meant the end of both Hamilton and Burr. They carried Hamilton from the field and the next day he died. Burr lived for years, but the shadow of his own doom was ever before him. It is reported that late in life he observed that, had he been wiser, he would have known that there was room enough in the world for both Hamilton and himself. Had Hamilton been equally wise, he would have known that calumnies and lies bring forth but bitter fruit.
When the news of Hamilton's death spread abroad, a thunderous hue and cry went up against Burr. He was a murderer, a criminal, in spite of the fact that all of the rules required under the duelling code had been observed. The Federalists set upon him. He was indicted forthwith for murder, both in New Jersey and New York, and, while he was never brought to trial, he had reason to fear facing a jury, so thoroughly had the public been prejudiced against him.
(Excerpt) Read more at odur.let.rug.nl ...
This seems like a good place to post that Aaron Burr was actually the grandson of the great American theologian/philospher Jonathan Edwards. Very few people know this.
Hamilton threw his shot away. He fired at a nearby tree, leaving himself at Burr's mercy. Burr, then shot Hamilton in cold blood.
It was no "gentleman's duel".
I say bring back grudge dueling...with off track betting...
Cheney vs Kerry
Shotguns with quail shot at 50 paces (and full chokes)
The libbies are licking their chops hoping that Mr Whittington dies so they can brand Cheney a murderer. Get well soon Mr Whittington. Our prayers are with you.
Burr is a POS who killed the true genius of the American Founding.
Let's pray the press does not make Cheney into the next Aaron Burr (or worse, considering Cheney's OWN medical condition).
That was in the (full article) link above : )
I was always taught Hamilton was simply not a very good marksman - thanks for the info.
Cheney vs. Edwards would be cooler. And forget guns; a chainsaw duel would be SO much cooler.
Hamilton may have been a genius in many ways but he was a little SOB to many. He repeatedly insulted Burr and would then recant when pressed, appologizing profusely. After several interations of the insult/appology cycle Burr finally had enough. Hamilton's NY Post was much closer to today New York Times in making very damning claims that were later retracted in small print well away from the front page. Burr is an interesting figure and one of many that have suffered over the years thanks to Thomas Jefferson's hand. but in the case of shoot Alex Hamilton, he was probably more than justified.
Uh.. Burr MEANT to shoot Hamilton and Hamilton was definitely not a friend or "hunting buddy".
There are plenty of comparisons that can be drawn by a cliff-notes take on history, but before we get too worked up, let's get the fact in order.
I don't trust anything on that site without checking it out - at least the entry is under "Trivia" - I am going to look into THIS entry as well:
"Years later, [Burr] returned to New York City to practice law and was tried and acquitted for his role in the duel. He died in 1836 in Staten Island, New York, having never apologized to Hamilton's family or shown any remorse for ending Hamilton's life.
Perhaps the best account of the event was catalogued in the writings of a local stable-boy, Jake Simons, who secretly watched the event from afar. His journal was later published, although his writings and record of his business are now lost."
I definitely want all the facts in order - you are mistaken if you think I am drawing ANY comparisons between these two events.
Let's just hope the press is not as vicious toward Cheney as the Federalists were to Burr ; )
I certainly hope there is SOME kind of federal protection at that room.
Not to mention that Hamilton was in truth what the DUmmies claim Rove is--a powermad manipulator bent on controlling the entire workings of government and making himself king in all but name. Gotta like the guy.
"call us Aaron Burr the way we're droppin' Hamiltons!"
He didn't throw it away intentionally. Biographies and other research I read 15 years ago proved that Hamilton had the hair trigger set on the gun to get his shot off first. The result was that the gun went off early. There is still some question as to whether or not this was considered "cheating" at the time.
I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride acorss a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
Not mine - Heard it from a caller on local radio yesterday...
Actually, it was. A duelist who chose to intentionally miss was thereby voluntarily taking the chance that his opponent would not choose to do the same. A duelist had no moral or ethical obligation to miss simply because his opponent did.
Were this not true, any lousy shot could just fire his pistol into the sky and thereby obligate his opponent to do the same. Kind of takes the point out of dueling.
Found it. The article that got me interested in this was "Pistols shed light on famed duel" from the November, 1976 Smithsonian magazine.
Where? I searched for "Cheney" and didn't find anything on that page.
I believe you are correct. As the story goes, way back in 1976, as the country was celebrating its bicentennial, the two pistols were being examined before being placed in the Smithsonian. Upon close inspection, Hamilton's pistol was rigged with a hair trigger, requiring only 1 to 1.5 pounds of pressure to pull, unlike the 10 to 15 pounds of pull required to fire a normal (unaltered) pistol. As a result, a duelist would have an incredible advantage over his opponent. In this case, it seems, Mr. Hamilton held the gun a bit too tight and triggered it before he had aimed, hitting the leaves above Burr's head. So, it would seem that although the fix was in, Mr. Burr's luck overcame it. Hamilton's nobility is, in my mind at least, somewhat suspect.
Burr wanted to make himself king of the entire Louisiana Purchase - hardly a difference there.
Down at the bottom, under trivia.
It's gone now. Interesting bit about Burr and the Louisiana purchase. I've been meaning to read more on the Founding fathers and get some more knowledge of American history. I've had the Chernow Hamilton bio on my Amazon wish list forever.
Yes, it was innocuous. It wasn't so bad as to be removed. For the record, it was not I who erased it from existence.
Nor I - must be that Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy ; )
Cheney should have taken a shot at Leahy?
I have been to the Fraunces Tavern, which, although largely a replica, is where GW said goodbye to his staff. Its near Federal Hall and the food is not bad (just go in the evening to avoid the school crowds).
There is also a piano bar in the West Village called Marie's Crisis. You would otherwise not give it a second look, but the building that hosts this bar is none other than the house that Thomas Paine lived in during his New York years.
Let's also not forget Hamilton Park in Weehawken where "the duel" took place. Clemenza took a walk through that park with his Nonno (who lived next door in North Bergen) as a four year old.
Burr was a slimy, smarmy, nasty CYLMER of the first order; not to mention a political opportunist, backstabber, and all around hateful cur. He and Hamilton were NOT friends.
V.P. Cheney and the man whom he accidentally shot are friends, they aren't political RIVALS, they were hunting quail together, and this wasn't a duel to the death; it wasn't even a duel.
Thank you for posting all the differences - those differences are exactly why I started this thread - see above.
Unfortunately, dueling is illegal in all 50 States now ; )
For all of the calumny you've heaped upon Hamilton, undeservedly so, Burr makes Alex look like a saint! Even Jefferson, whose V.P. Burr was, didn't like him; but found him "useful".
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