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To: Cornpone

Assalamu-alleikum (=Peace to all).

First of all I must tell you that there are people pretending to be Muslims,but do not really follow The orders of Allah (=God) and the Prophet Muhammad (peace upon with him).Concerning the story with the Imam and the raping:

According to the Sharia he has to be punished with death penalty.(like stoning to death).

The pictures showing people with blood and so on.There are over 70 different forms of Islamic paths.The most of them are wrong.The cutting of the skin is typical of Shiites.According to the Scholars (except some Shiite scholars) it is a sin.The Shiits sacrifice themselves for the killing of Hassan and Hussein (sons of Ali=son in law of Muhammad (p.b.u.h).THis is haram (=not allowed).

So please do not confuse things.Before making predjudices get some information and do not hear it from Idiots who do not know the real Islam.

People doing such things do not follow the real Islam.They invent new things (=bida´a) outside the Quran and Sunna (the Prophet Muhammad art of life).

Here are some good links about "Who is the prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h)?"

http://www.islamway.com/mohammad

wa salamu alleikum


11 posted on 03/09/2006 1:26:08 PM PST by al-akid
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To: al-akid; Land_of_Lincoln_John; EBH; Chgogal; evad; American in Israel; Grut; Bombardier; ...
Welcome. Here are some things I already know about the prophet.

We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust. (3.151)

When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (8.12)

12 posted on 03/09/2006 7:05:14 PM PST by Cornpone (Remember 11 Sept 2001 -- This generation's Peal Harbor, its Alamo, its battleship Maine.)
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To: al-akid

I learned everything I need to know about islam on 9/11.

Since then I learned that so called "moderate" muslims will NOT turn in obvious terrorists using mosques as a base.

I learned that muslims are 90% of the rapists of Europe and Austrailia.

I learned that muslims kill innocents when they get offened at something. And I learned that nearly everything offends a muslim.

I learned that muslims will not tolerate free speech when it criticizes islam. "Moderate muslims" refuse to turn in to law enforcement the radical muslims who murder writers and filmmakers.

I learned islam is a religion of bigots who justify terror, and refuse to recognize Israel. Indeed these muslim bigots justify terror attacks against innocent jewish women and children as "legitimate military targets."

Yet when Israel targets and kills a terror leader, I learned that muslims become big babies and cry like women at the unfairness of the world.

I don't need a link to learn about muslims. All I have to do is turn on the news to see muslims beheading another Catholic schoolgirl...that followed by the silence of muslims worldwide teaches me volumes about the true nature of islam.

My conclusion is that islam is the last stronghold of barbarism in the world. I will be proved wrong when muslims rise up and either turn in or kill the terrorists themselves. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.


13 posted on 03/09/2006 7:28:36 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: al-akid

Please pardon us for questioning the peaceful, benevolent nature of Mohammed's great and wonderful religion.


14 posted on 03/09/2006 7:34:27 PM PST by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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To: al-akid; USF
"...There are over 70 different forms of Islamic paths.The most of them are wrong..."

I believe there are 73 'islamic paths' and only one can be the right path...so what I want to know is, how many of you will be left alive after you establish which one it is...LOL!

Don't be a piker - get started on sorting yourself out. I've got lots of popcorn...

See this message? It works both ways.

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18 posted on 03/09/2006 7:58:14 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: al-akid

Can I call you Al?

I checked out your site about Mohamed, and its completely different than what I read in the koran.

The book says that Mohamed broke his truce with the Jews of Medina when it was convenient for him. Mo's word is NO good.
BUT your site says the Jews broke the agreement.

Which is correct. The koran? or you site?

When Mo led his armies in the holy wars of jihad, attacking and enslaving peaceful peoples...your site says he was the one unfairly attacked.

Which is correct. The koran? or you site?

No where does it mention the rape of captive women by Mo's holy warriors, nor does it mention Mo's marriage to a 9 year old child! No where does your site mention what happened to a city that lost a battle with the muslim horde: I guess your site forgets to mention that all the men were killed, and the women raped and then either enslaved or forced to marry their rapists.

I think your site is LYING about the brutality found in the koran. There are enough copies online that anyone can read for themselves the truth about the bloodthirsty allah.


19 posted on 03/09/2006 8:09:07 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: al-akid
Hi al-akid,

Pardon my bluntness, but sometimes shock therapy is necessary:

Assalamu-alleikum (=Peace to all).

Peace to you also.

First of all I must tell you that there are people pretending to be Muslims,but do not really follow The orders of Allah (=God) and the Prophet Muhammad (peace upon with him).

A few problems here. Allah is satan, not God. God does not require human sacrifice (e.g., 'striking the heads off of the infidels'), nor thrive on hatred. God does not appeal to the lusts of men with carnal bribery (e.g., 72 virgins awaiting the 'martyrs of jihad'). The 'prophet Muhammad' was satan's messenger and although I'm in no position to judge the fate of anyone's afterlife -- by Mr. Muhammad's account in the koran and haydith, he's most likely frying in hell, so its highly unlikely he's in a state of 'peace'. I do agree with you that many who call themselves muslims don't follow the orders of satan and his messenger as laid out in the koran and haydiths. Thank God for that.

Concerning the story with the Imam and the raping: According to the Sharia he has to be punished with death penalty.(like stoning to death).

Wouldn't Mr. Muhammad's sexual relationship with an 8 year old girl constitute 'rape' in most societies?

The pictures showing people with blood and so on.There are over 70 different forms of Islamic paths.The most of them are wrong.The cutting of the skin is typical of Shiites.According to the Scholars (except some Shiite scholars) it is a sin.The Shiits sacrifice themselves for the killing of Hassan and Hussein (sons of Ali=son in law of Muhammad (p.b.u.h).THis is haram (=not allowed).

Actually, I for one don't have a big problem with anyone self-flaggelating themselves. I personally think its stupid; but if you're only harming yourself -- and presumably just superficially -- go for it. My problem with islam (all 70+ 'paths') is their two foundational books - the koran and haydith. Clearly they were written under the inspiration of satan, and anyone who follows them is on the path to peridition. Turn around while you can.

Seek ye the Lord while He may be found. Call ye upon Him while He is near.

Try the Word of Truth - the Bible. Peace be with you.

21 posted on 03/09/2006 9:48:58 PM PST by El Cid
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To: al-akid; Cornpone; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ...
So please do not confuse things.Before making predjudices get some information and do not hear it from Idiots who do not know the real Islam.

Dont waste your time telling us this and trying to make excuses... its muslims you should be trying to convince.

From a hugely popular and influential islamic site:

If a female was raped due to her not maintaining the laws of Hijaab, she is partly to be blamed as the rapist will be considered as being seduced by her revealing form and shape. She should make Tawbah (sincerely repent) by also adhering to the laws of Hijaab.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

It seems to be a little known fact outside of muslum nations that the islamic slave rag is in fact seen as a magical anti-rape marker to brand your property with, in the way someone may brand an animal.



The Rape Jihad By Robert Spencer.

“Each of us was raped by between three and six men….One woman refused to have sex with them, so they split her head into pieces with an axe in front of us.”

 

This happened in Darfur, from which Sudanese military personnel actually airlifted women to Khartoum to serve as sex slaves.

 

Meanwhile, Indira Dzetskelova, the mother of one of the child hostages in Beslan, Russia, reports that “several 15-year-old girls were raped by terrorists.” Her daughter “heard their terrible cries and screams when those monsters took them away.”

 

This indicates that there are two things the massacre in Beslan have in common with the ongoing massacres in Darfur: both, no less than the 9/11 attacks, are examples of Islamic jihad terrorism, and both are characterized by rape.

 

The jihadist element has been made clear by the ringleaders of both atrocities. Sudanese General Mohamed Beshir Suleiman recently declared: “The door of the jihad is still open and if it has been closed in the south it will be opened in Darfur.” In southern Sudan, of course, the jihad was waged against Christians; in Darfur, the targets are black African Muslims whose Islamic bona fides don’t satisfy Khartoum. As for Beslan, the Chechen jihadist leader Shamil Besayev warned the Russian government last winter: “Praise Allah, we are dreaming of dying in jihad, we are dreaming of dying on the way of Allah, so that we could earn paradise and mercy of Allah.”

 

What does rape, then, have to do with these religious conflicts? Unfortunately, everything. The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24).

 

After one successful battle, Muhammad tells his men, “Go and take any slave girl.” He took one for himself also. After the notorious massacre of the Jewish Qurayzah tribe, he did it again. According to his earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad “went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for [the men of Banu Qurayza] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.” After killing “600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900,” the Prophet of Islam took one of the widows he had just made, Rayhana bint Amr, as another concubine.

Emerging victorious in another battle, according to a generally accepted Islamic tradition, Muhammad’s men present him with an ethical question: “We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl [coitus interruptus] with them.” Muhammad told them: “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.’” When Muhammad says “it is better that you should not do it,” he’s referring to coitus interruptus, not to raping their captives. He takes that for granted.

With Muhammad revered throughout the Islamic world as al-insan al-kamil, the perfect man, the rapes of Darfur and Beslan are nothing surprising. What is surprising, or ought to be, is the silence from the Islamic world about the rapes in both cases. Where are the reformers who will dare to say that Muhammad’s example must not be followed in this case? Who will acknowledge that the world has developed principles of human rights that must supercede those forged in seventh-century Arabia? Where are the Western spokesmen who are not so in thrall to multiculturalism that they will condemn rape that is justified according to Islamic religious principles? The much-lionized “Muslim Martin Luther,” Tariq Ramadan, now banned from entering the U.S., can so far only bring himself to call for a moratorium, not a definitive ban, on stoning for adulterers. Rape of captives? His sentiments are not known. Where is the Muslim Solzhenitsyn, who will speak honestly about the aspects of Islam that so desperately need reform, and call for the overhaul that the system so obviously needs?The whole world is waiting. But for the girls and women of Darfur and Beslan, it is already too late.

A common theme elsewhere:

Rape: Nothing to do with Islam?

I got some comments, among others from Norwegian blogger Bjørn Stærk, to my posts about the Norwegian government covering up the number of rapes committed by immigrants. The Swedish government is probably even worse, but Sweden is in many ways collapsing. Although he agreed that the statistics should be published, he questioned whether these rapes have anything to do with Islam. It is true that mass rapes of "the enemy's women", in part to humiliate the enemy's men, is not unique to Islam. It has been done at times of war by the Vikings, the Mongols, the Germans and the Russians during WW2, and all the way up to the Balkans in the 1990s. That's also my point. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This happens in most Western European countries, as well as in other infidels countries such as India. In Bradford, England, Channel 4 pulled a documentary about Pakistani and other Muslim men sexually abusing white English girls, some as young as 11. Writer Theodore Dalrymple thinks that "thanks to their cultural inheritance, (Muslim) abuse of women is systematic rather than unsystematic as it is with the whites and blacks." In France, grotesque reports about systematic gang rapes of French or "too Western" Muslim girls keep coming in. At the same time, European jails are getting filled up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. You can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That's because they can't, or don't want to, see the obvious: This is exactly how an invading army would behave. Rape, pillage and bomb.

I disagree that this has nothing to do with Islam. Muhammad himself had forced sex (rape) with several of his slave girls/concubines. This is perfectly allowed, both in the sunna and in the Koran. If you postulate that many of the Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law. And Muslims do follow their medieval religious laws, even today....



22 posted on 03/09/2006 10:31:06 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: al-akid; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; Cornpone
I urge you to open your eyes.... the prophecy of the 72 false sects will end up in more muslim on muslim violence, death and destruction and nobody gets muslims killed better than a "true believer."

Why would Allah want to cause so many divisions among his own followers, and forsake so many, leaving them with less desirable ways to guarantee their entry into paradise, instead of having mercy and forgiving them?

If you are willing to open your heart to a real religion of peace, you'll come to undertand there is another option out there for you to reconsider.

24 posted on 03/09/2006 10:50:50 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: al-akid

"There are over 70 different forms of Islamic paths.The most of them are wrong."

I bet if I were to ask, you would say 69 are wrong. The right one, for you, would be what? Sunni. Since Shi'ite and Sufi are wrong. Please tell us the correct Islam, so taht we may know you.

Me? I am a Catholic Christian. Just so you know. I am sure that, to you, I fall in with the Sufi's.


26 posted on 03/09/2006 11:35:09 PM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: al-akid
al-akid,

Welcome to FreeRepublic. Like most here everything I needed to know about islam I learned on 9/11, but not for the same reasons as some have pointed out here.

I was at a world class health facility and watched in horror as the tower fell and doctors cheered. I now boycott the facility.

I've kept tabs through the news on the local mosque activities...to date the imam has been deported for ties to terrorism and 14 other mosque leaders are under investigation.

An honor killing of a beautiful college student.

A muslim truck driver is currently in court for planning to blowup the Brooklyn Bridge.

3 more have been indicted recently for plans to help the insurgency in Iraq, attempt to kill the president, etc.

2 muslim charities have been shut down for sending money to ...you got it Terrorists.

And all these activities are in my own backyard. We have one mosque in the area and all its leaders are under some sort of indictment and the muslims in the mosque defend & support them. If islam is a religion of peace, then as far as I am concerned those leaders are the heretics of islam. And like demands for the catholic church regarding pedophilia, the muslims should clean their own house.



I am tired of being lied to by muslims. I am tired of trying to decipher the double speak of muslim leaders. I am tired of being told islam means peace, when it does not; it means submission.

Muslims don't understand the only picture we have of their religion is surrounded in violence and blood, no matter what the sect it seems. One mosque in my area, one group of leaders being indicted have destroyed the reputation even further for the muslims in the community. This is not islamaphobia, it is reality. Those leaders illegal activities have hurt the muslim community, but the denial by the muslim community that they(the leaders) did anything wrong defaces islam to even a greater extent.

For years I have tried not to prejudge islam; but the more I've come to learn, the more I understand, it is not all that it appears to be.
28 posted on 03/10/2006 4:38:09 AM PST by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: al-akid; Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; Former Dodger; jan in Colorado
Here are some good links about "Who is the prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h)?"

Is that the same mohammad as the one here? The one that engaged in killing, wars for territorial expansion, genocide... the same mohammad whos examples (including the exploitation of women below) are set for his followers and noted in the hadeeths and considered to be "al insan al kamil" (the "perfect man") whose example muslims are to emulate? That mohammad?

Aisha the Child Wife of Muhammad

Safiyah, the Jewish (captured war booty) Wife of Muhammad

Mariyah the Sex Slave of the holy Prophet

Just checking we're on the same page here and that you're not trying to hold anything back as one might interpret that as deception.

32 posted on 03/10/2006 5:58:53 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: al-akid

"This is not real Islam"? After 9/11, the burden of proof is on your ummah, not ours. It is not unreasonable to conclude Islam is, as Islam does....


35 posted on 03/10/2006 8:30:43 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: al-akid

Cat got your tongue?


37 posted on 03/10/2006 1:43:47 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: al-akid; Cyclops08; sheik yerbouty; bayouranger; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks

Obviously, this "mohammad" character can't stand scrutiny, and neither can his ideology.


43 posted on 03/11/2006 2:39:11 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: al-akid; jan in Colorado; USF; Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; ariamne; BayouCoyote; hosepipe

mohammad was a perverse paedophile, a war-monger, a genocidal maniac, a demon possessed hater of Jews, and enemy of Jesus Christ, a blasphemer against G_d, and all who faithfully follow him and the evil qur'an are doomed to dwell in the fires of Sheol with alla-uzza, the black-hearted moon-rock false god alias of satan!

All I have to say about the false prophet is P*ss Be upon Him!

He was not fit to even breathe in the general direction of the Holy Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced therefore Mock Ye all the abomination, mohammad - and mock him well, viciously, and long!"


47 posted on 03/12/2006 7:27:12 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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