Although possible, I do not see the Jordanians under the Hashemites invading Saudi Arabia in the near term, if at all, absent an internal, violent Saudi Arabian revolution.
Orchestrating a clandestine campaign against the Saudi’s/Wahabbi’s with intent of fomenting an internal, successful rebellion would be next to impossible.
That is why I'm advocating continually airing the dirt on the KSA and their ideology along with pushing the Sauds to reform faster, to their breaking point if need be, making the comments about the limits of democracy in post #108. I want them to reform, or implode so others have a reason to go in and take the hijaz. If they reform fast, they stand a greater chance of imploding, and the demographic clock is ticking (post #129). I'll get into this a little more later.. but essentially they need to reform, and fast. If they push thru reforms that stay in place and work in our favor, great; and if the bold experiment implodes on them, it's also great (post #108 again) as we have not only a strategy, but also a back up strategy to address the root cause - Islamic ideology - and use their centers of their belief system against them. The hijaz can be separated, from the rest of the country if need be, or we can prove their delusional belief system and its end of times prophecies wrong and eradicate two of the five pillars of their faith. Any "islam" that remains will have to go thru one hell of a revision, or simply a revision in hell.
There is a load of dirt out there on the Saudi Royals which has been hushed up or kept out of their media. I've heard stories that I found incredible at first, from some very trustworthy and highly placed people that had access to some of the important Saudi power players. I can't mention names unfortunately, though at times like this I wish I could. If a campaign was necessary to undermine the Sauds, and strain their relationship with the ulema, there is ammo out there which will come in useful. The cartoon farce is another very simple example of how we can exploit their own beliefs against them in the simplest of ways to bring out the worst of jihadi element to face their own riot police and cause widespread civil unrest. Much greater "desecrations" can and should be exploited on future occasions, IMHO.
Additionally, even if they did invade, their military campaign would probably not be a short one, even with an external coalition’s help. Consequently, there would be a huge disruption to the world’s oil supply (probably created by the Saudi’s themselves) that would reek havoc on, not just the US, but the entire world’s economy.
Similar to Iraq situation, and why we need to finish the job there first, to buffer some of the worse effects on the oil supply by raising production and restarting exploration. This is the "hudna" time I give Al Saud to deal with its mess. There will never ever, be a "good time" to disrupt energy supplies.
The world (most especially, Europe and Japan, literally for the sake of national survival) would be forced to intervene on the side of stability and continuity of oil supplies....
Agree, but the same also applied to Iraq. They wont like what we do but breathe a sigh of relief when it's over, and ask for stability then, even if they did not join in.
I'm glad you brought this up tho'.. I've seen the situation across EUrope with my own eyes and its not a pretty picture. The immigration and the effects of the islamic resurgence there combined with a liberal "PC" climate is weaking the EUropean desire to back the US militarily or politically. This will become more and more acute as the years pass, and America slogs its way thru the "long war." The effects of liberalism and the "PC" culture pervades their mentality, and especially of the political elites (I'm not just referring to those on an individual national level but of the EU/Brussels elites as well) is having the effect of turning them from leftist EUnicks to EUnuchs, to EUrabians as the years pass.
Brussels aims to consolidate its political power with such grand ideas as the emergence of the EU's common foreign and security policy (CFSP), and common security and defense policy (CESDP), and its drawing power to make day to day laws and decisions away from national capitals towards Brussels itself where PC "multiculturalists" soothe "cultural" differences in the interests of "harmony." The longer we leave this situation of not confronting islamic ideology unresolved and the demographics to take their course, the further Europe will slip away from us and the possibility of them being part of any Hashemite or US lead coalition. Sam Huntington made a perfect case for the dynamics involved in his "Clash of civilizations." A couple of articles (note these polls will reflect only those who are brave enough to admit their thoughts to the kuffar) UK poll: 37% of Muslims in Britain think British Jews are a "legitimate target", 40% of (British)Muslims want sharia law in UK and 'The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state.'What is worth noting in EUrope, is the trend of western born children of immigrants who have no experience of the horrors of islamic rule are more prone to fighting for the islamic cause at home, having a rose tinted view on islam.
China, and the East Asian states evolving out of the failure of communism are a huge emerging market for raw materials, autos, hi-tech and fuel, is going to put ever increasing strains on the worlds oil supply in the decades to come, very likely lapping up any increased output in oil production, while also looking for alternative sources to for its consumption.
To achieve “removing their economic lever,” we must overcome a number of obstacles. First, the Fifth Column, PC crowd/environmental extremists along with their media partners must immediately be neutered in their opposition to greater US energy independence. After sufficiently muting opposition, in the short term, rapid, oil exploration/drilling in ANWR, off the coasts of California and western Florida must proceed immediately. More oil refineries must be built and older ones updated. Additionally, development of shale oil technology must be vigorously pursued and exploitation of coal deposits with cleaner combustion technology must also be vigorously pursued. Slightly longer term, construction/commissioning of numerous, nuclear power plants must be rapidly accelerated. Finally, the development and economic viability of alternative energy sources such as hydrogen, solar, wind, wave, etc., must be pursued as well.
Nothing I would disagree with in that last paragraph as it makes perfect sense, but of course problems will almost certainly come with neutering the LLL opposition first, secondly and probably the most important, the impact on the the time frame for implimenting a bold plan of action in Saudi and keeping an multilateral alliance togther for this, while hoping nobody else goes down the nuclear path in the meantime. Or worst case, the Saudis themselves deciding to acquire nukes while we are preoccupied elsewhere.
Saudi Arabia, the epicenter of islamic evil, will carry on funding islam and terror ideology around the world and using its role as the "custodian of the holy sites" to legitimize its message. Their population feeding off a diet of islamic hatred is booming despite their economic modernization, the vast majority of Saudis being under 30 (appx two thirds by most accounts), and of them close to 40% are under 14 years old (compared to about half that in the US) getting more anti-American by the day, and this is pool the next generation of jihadis will emerge from. Even if the House of Saud stop directly funding wahabbis indirect funding will continue, via the general ecomomic boom, clandestine zakat and because of long established extended family and tribal ties. Cutting off wahabbi funding within the kingdom itself saps power away from both the House of Saud, and the wahabbi establishment, letting the other salafis who have less or no allegiance or influence with the House of Saud make gains.
I now see where you and I may differ, and why our proposed plans (call my references to Saudi "phase one") reflect this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to really come down to this:
1. Essentially, I would like to move on a faster time frame to take on the center of the ideology itself and to get what I see as an inevitable conflict going now rather than later. I see many of the terms favoring us more during the next few years (especially during the next decade) then they will in the future when the evils of islmaic ideology grow deeper roots in our soil, as it continues to do so in EUrope, Asia, and as the ummah itself "reawakens," continues to grow in strenght and one islamic leader after another emerges to seek nukes or other WMD to use against us. Hence I have to propose a bolder plan. Perhaps it's closer to Ann Coulters "we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" than you're comfortable with.
2. The very real possibility of the KSA and Saud rule imploding due to it's own "deal with the devil" getting out of hand together with it's rapidly changing demographics (my #108) needs to be addressed and planned for.
I wish simply airing the truth about islam and the perverted Mad Mo and his ideology would wake up the LLL, PC crowd and muslim alike, allowing the latter to look into an alternative message, but due to the lack of the desired results so fara nd knowing time is not in our favor, I conceive and propose a strategy to take down the very heart of the islamic ideological factory, and use their own institutions and delusions against them. Mohammads ideology is spreading like a cancer, and radical therapy is needed now so the next generation do not face an even greater threat.