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Rumsfeld slams war statements by Murtha
Washington Times ^ | Feb. 17, 2006 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 02/17/2006 7:46:06 PM PST by FairOpinion

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, in his first public faceoff with Rep. John P. Murtha since the Pennsylvania Democrat called for a quick U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, rejected yesterday the congressman's charge that the U.S. cannot win the war. At a hearing on the Pentagon budget before the House Appropriations Committee's subcommittee on defense, Mr. Murtha, the panel's top Democrat, renewed his November call for a pullout.

"Where I disagree is fighting terrorism in Iraq," Mr. Murtha said. "I think that we're inciting terrorism, and that's my personal opinion. ... When you go in ... with the tactics we have to use to protect American lives, you're going to create enemies. And that's what we've done."

Mr. Rumsfeld listened as Mr. Murtha leveled his pessimistic assessment and then heard a second round of attacks from Rep. David R. Obey, Wisconsin Democrat.

The defense secretary then suspended his rehearsed opening statement and responded.

"The idea that you should paint a picture and hang crepe over it, that everything's horrible in Iraq, is not true," Mr. Rumsfeld said, citing three elections last year that created an Iraqi constitution and parliament.

"Now, is it a pretty picture? Has it been done instantaneously? No. Is there a lot of tugging and hauling and politicking? You bet there is over there," he said. "And are we gong to end up with something that we stand back and look at it and say, 'Gee, that's a pretty picture?' No. It's going to be an Iraqi picture. It's not going to be an American picture. But it's going to get done."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; antiwar; cutandrun; iraq; murtha; obey; rumsfeld
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Note that these are US Congressman, who make these treasonsous statements, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The Dems can never be trusted with the safety of Americans.

1 posted on 02/17/2006 7:46:07 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

I've seen some clips of Rummy's comments on various issues recently - this guy is great, he knows how to hit back, hard and concise.


2 posted on 02/17/2006 7:47:27 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Rumsfeld should be on TV every day -- he even knows exactly how the handle the jackals of the press corps.


3 posted on 02/17/2006 7:50:51 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Rumsfeld should be on TV every day


If the Whitehouse would do their own web broadcasts then he could be...and there would not be the media to filter what he has to say. As it stands now I have to rely on C-SPAN...
4 posted on 02/17/2006 7:53:45 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: P-40

I am privilaged then, as on my cable Cox Cable in SE Arizona I get the Pentagon Channel.


5 posted on 02/17/2006 7:55:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: FairOpinion
Scarborough didn't point out that Murtha recommended young America's should not join the military. I consider him a traitor for that!
6 posted on 02/17/2006 7:56:19 PM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: oceanview

Leave Murtha alone---for a long time, we can hope.


7 posted on 02/17/2006 7:57:30 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: FairOpinion

I love the way he comments by asking a question and then answering it. It's just so....Rummy-esque!


8 posted on 02/17/2006 7:57:47 PM PST by IrishRainy
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To: FairOpinion

Be thankful for the dems. Without them as the opposition, the republicans would have fumbled away power years ago.


9 posted on 02/17/2006 7:59:18 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: oceanview

I've seen some clips of Rummy's comments on various issues recently - this guy is great, he knows how to hit back, hard and concise.




You will only understand the symbolism of the following if you learned
through extraneous history or were old enough to have watched it play out
that Ted Kennedy drove off of a bridge in Massachusetts on his way to an
island with Mary Joe Kopechne in the late 60's.

He did NOT seek help to rescue her when he surfaced. Instead he made his
way to a hotel, called friends and the next morning reported the accident.

She was, needless to say, both dead and wet. Kennedy faced no type of
any censure or reprimand, much less any legal punishment for this negligent
act of manslaughter.

Kennedy power extends wide in that part of America. You have got to the
chutzpah of Rumsfeld.


February 05, 2004

Rumsfeld: Kennedy 'All Wet' About Bush Lies

(5 Feb 2004) -- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Sen Edward M.
Kennedy yesterday that he was "all wet" when the Senator alleged that the
Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to
justify
going to war.

The verbal clash came during Mr. Rumsfeld's testimony at a Senate Armed
Services Committee hearing probing the state of pre-war intelligence.

Sen. Kennedy began his questioning of the Defense Secretary by saying,
"Don't you think some members of the Bush administration should be held
legally accountable for the lies they told about Iraqi weapons, and the
subsequent cover-up?"

"First, with all due respect Senator Kennedy, you're all wet," said Mr.
Rumsfeld . "The administration has not lied or covered up. However, in
general I do believe that when a man commits a crime he should face the
bar
of justice. He should not be allowed to serve in positions of power in our
government, and be hailed as a leader, when the question of his guilt
remains unresolved, if you know what I mean."

"I'm sure I do not know what you mean," Mr. Kennedy said. "But the
American
people deserve to know why you can't find Saddam's weapons of mass
destruction."

"Sometimes things are hard to find, even when you know where they are,"
said
Mr. Rumsfeld. "For example, I've heard of a man who missed a bridge and
drove his car into the water, even though he knew where the bridge was.
And
then sometimes you just keep diving into a problem and despite repeated
efforts, you come up empty handed. That doesn't mean that nothing's
there.
As you know, eventually, the truth comes to light."

Having no further questions, Mr. Kennedy yielded the remainder of his
time.


10 posted on 02/17/2006 8:06:48 PM PST by danamco
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To: FairOpinion
Rumsfeld should be on TV every day -- he even knows exactly how the handle the jackals of the press corps.

I couldn't agree more - Rumsfeld is the best asset in the GWB Administration.

11 posted on 02/17/2006 8:07:14 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: FairOpinion

Murtha's 15 minutes of fame only lasted about 2 minutes after everybody found out he was a crooked lying fraud.


12 posted on 02/17/2006 8:14:36 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: danamco

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_rumsfeld_kennedy.htm


13 posted on 02/17/2006 8:17:32 PM PST by map
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To: oceanview
this guy is great, he knows how to hit back, hard and concise.

And it is exactly why the Dems HATE him. They like their Dems hard and biting and their Republicans soft and chewy. They hate when we don't cooperate.

14 posted on 02/17/2006 8:20:10 PM PST by Casloy
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To: danamco

I haven't heard that Kennedy -Rumsfeld exchange. Thanks for posting it.

Rumsfeld is a gem!


15 posted on 02/17/2006 8:20:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
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"Mr. Secretary, did I hear correctly when you called me a mental eunuch?"

"Yep. You heard right you puke."

16 posted on 02/17/2006 8:22:53 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: FairOpinion

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_rumsfeld_kennedy.htm

...Once again, a satirical text published on the Internet has found its way into broad distribution as a forwarded email and fooled credulous folks into believing it's true. It is not. A quick Google search uncovered the original document on Scott Ott's self-described "daily news satire site," ScrappleFace....


17 posted on 02/17/2006 8:24:35 PM PST by map
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To: map

I saw you link later. Thanks.

Well, even if it's not true, it sounds good anyway -- we can wish someone had said that to Kennedy.


18 posted on 02/17/2006 8:28:55 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Rumsfeld should be President, after W. He's practically the only one fighting back against the Democrats.


19 posted on 02/17/2006 8:34:39 PM PST by Graymatter (Yes and...what are we going to do about it?)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
We could be better served if the White House was served by a Press Secretary more professional and agressive --- especially since our President isn't exactly a stand up, bomb throwing speaker...

Between President Bush and that sorry excuse for a Press Secretary - the White House looked amateurish and incompetent.

This is highlighted every time someone like Rumsfield, Tony Blair or Rush gets wound up...

Half the Democrats on the Hill should be walking around as if a knife was in their back or a corn cob up their rectal orifice from the verbal lashings they SHOULD be getting.

Semper Fi
20 posted on 02/17/2006 8:35:48 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Now THAT's funny.


21 posted on 02/17/2006 8:37:25 PM PST by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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To: FairOpinion

I agree.


22 posted on 02/17/2006 8:37:49 PM PST by map
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To: FairOpinion

Who is paying Murtha, either financially or via some political path, to talk like this? He cannot really be this stupid can he?


23 posted on 02/17/2006 8:47:27 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: IrishRainy

"Now, is it a pretty picture? Has it been done instantaneously? No. Is there a lot of tugging and hauling and politicking? You bet there is over there," he said. "And are we gong to end up with something that we stand back and look at it and say, 'Gee, that's a pretty picture?' No. It's going to be an Iraqi picture. It's not going to be an American picture. But it's going to get done."

Please run for President Mr Secretary.

24 posted on 02/17/2006 8:50:36 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: FairOpinion
Murtha has lost his mind and should just retire in the glorious tax riddled state of penslavanaastan since he cares more about making a ass of himself than working for his home state. That would provide a opportunity for maybe someone that cares about issues instead of babbling communist agenda.
25 posted on 02/17/2006 9:06:05 PM PST by Steveone (Paradise is a World free of Liberals.)
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To: FairOpinion
Aren't these traitorous rats in violation of their oath of office we are at war!
26 posted on 02/17/2006 9:21:49 PM PST by Steveone (Paradise is a World free of Liberals.)
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To: FairOpinion
nobody else has either...its a bit of parody draped in symbolism...
27 posted on 02/17/2006 9:31:22 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: SandRat

The "Pentagon Channel" .. WHAT ..??

I didn't know there was such a thing. My cable outlet is Time Warner - I wonder why they don't carry it. Guess they will be getting a phone call.


28 posted on 02/17/2006 9:47:06 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrat Leadership = No program - no ideas - no clue.)
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To: river rat

"Half the Democrats on the Hill should be walking around as if a knife was in their back or a corn cob up their rectal orifice from the verbal lashings they SHOULD be getting."

Don't wake me - I'm dreaming. What pleasant thoughts.

The Dems are thoroughly evil. Unfortunately their political opponents are too often thoroughly stupid and cowardly.


29 posted on 02/17/2006 10:02:00 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: FairOpinion
Did we worry about inciting the Japanese or the Germans wherever and whenever we hit them?
30 posted on 02/17/2006 11:01:44 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: FairOpinion; PhilDragoo; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; Chieftain; ...

HILLARY-HAIR?




31 posted on 02/17/2006 11:30:44 PM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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To: danamco

Are you serious? Did this exchange actually happen, IN PUBLIC? And it was recorded? If true, could you cite a source? And THANK YOU VERY MUCH for posting this!


32 posted on 02/17/2006 11:37:05 PM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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To: luvbach1
"Did we worry about inciting the Japanese or the Germans wherever and whenever we hit them?"

Yes, we did. We attempted to do so at every opportunity.

33 posted on 02/17/2006 11:46:32 PM PST by de Buillion (Give us your perverts, pedophiles, and sodomites. San Francisco wants YOU!)
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To: FairOpinion; devolve

Murtha, stand still, that's an order.

Now leave this room, we don't allow cut and runners in here.

34 posted on 02/17/2006 11:54:49 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: devolve; potlatch; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; FairOpinion; Jeff Head

35 posted on 02/18/2006 1:11:56 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: CyberAnt; SandRat
I didn't know there was such a thing. My cable outlet is Time Warner - I wonder why they don't carry it. Guess they will be getting a phone call.

Wouldn't cost them a thing to add it to their system. Taxpayers are paying for it whether they get it or not, through their taxes. In fact, DISH Network satellite was the first provider to provide this channel when it first come on the air over a year ago. If TW does carry it, it will most likely be on the basic digital package.

36 posted on 02/18/2006 3:09:50 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: FairOpinion
No, it is still not safe to vote rat.

There's a small part of my brain that wants President Bush to give the President Lincoln treatment to the traitorous and seditious members of Congress and the Press. Cold winter cells in upstate NY would be too good for the likes of Murtha, Obey, McDermott, Dowd, Pinch . . .
37 posted on 02/18/2006 3:57:38 AM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: de Buillion

Urban ledgend see post 13


38 posted on 02/18/2006 4:36:46 AM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: CyberAnt

On the PC go here http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=41778 and for additional information http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/ when in this one click the How to get the Pentagon Channel button.

Be sure to tell all your friends to call to as the more requests from different subscribers they get the better chance you have. Oh, it also helps to have the City Mayor, all of the City Council members, and the County Commissioners be among those requesting.


39 posted on 02/18/2006 5:48:12 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: FairOpinion
Murtha's a dem sell-out. Maybe he can get together with Gore, go to the Saudis and trash the country for cash... or is that what this has always been about?
40 posted on 02/18/2006 5:51:25 AM PST by GOPJ (If Dems had courage, they could have the courage of their convictions, if they had convictions.)
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To: Rummyfan
"Please run for President Mr Secretary."

I'll SECOND that NOMINATION!
41 posted on 02/18/2006 6:12:00 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: oceanview

If Rummy were 20 years younger, he'd be the next President of the United States. No question.


42 posted on 02/18/2006 6:12:36 AM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: FairOpinion
crepe?
LOL
43 posted on 02/18/2006 6:14:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: freema; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; FairOpinion
"Now, is it a pretty picture? Has it been done instantaneously? No. Is there a lot of tugging and hauling and politicking? You bet there is over there," he said. "And are we gong to end up with something that we stand back and look at it and say, 'Gee, that's a pretty picture?' No. It's going to be an Iraqi picture. It's not going to be an American picture. But it's going to get done."

Rumsfeld kicks Murtha's ARSE!

44 posted on 02/18/2006 6:25:34 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: de Buillion
My original post:

"Did we worry about inciting the Japanese or the Germans wherever and whenever we hit them?"

Your reply:
Yes, we did. We attempted to do so at every opportunity.

Your post makes no sense in view of our participation in carpet bombing of Germany and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan.
45 posted on 02/18/2006 7:41:56 AM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: FairOpinion
"Where I disagree is fighting terrorism in Iraq," Mr. Murtha said. "I think that we're inciting terrorism, and that's my personal opinion. ... When you go in ... with the tactics we have to use to protect American lives, you're going to create enemies. And that's what we've done."

Hey Murtha, you old, bought-and-paid-for, wind bag. While I respect your prior service to our country, your betrayal of the troops and their mission is pathetic...and as the Secretary of Defense has said...it is alos untrue.

OF COURSE WE ARE MAKING ENEMIES...the Islamic terrorists and tyrants HATE what we are doing. Our troops are their to destroy them and they do not like it.

On the other hand, we are also making tens of millions of friends, who are grateful we are there giving them the chance to be free...and who are now fighting and dieing beside us by the thousands to rid their lands of the terrorists whom you abet and aid with your comments, all for political aims. Shame on you I say.

Let the following pictures be ample testimony of the fact that we are making friends with our actions there...

















WINNING IRAQI FREEDOM

46 posted on 02/18/2006 7:45:10 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: FairOpinion

It's fiction -- unfortunately.


47 posted on 02/18/2006 7:47:23 AM PST by expatpat
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To: FairOpinion; Laurita; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; ...

Rumsfeld slams war statements by Murtha
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580950/posts

Young Marine Blasts Rep. Murtha at Town Hall Meeting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558047/posts

Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts


Time for the real conservatives on FR,
be it Republicans, Independents or Democrats
(like Zell Miller and John O'Neill) to band together
and oust the looney left and RINO's

The "Politically Correct RINO's" on FR are the same group
who "swore"
klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".

Sam Johnson Viet Nam Vet Hero AND POW gets it PING!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1527080/posts

JOHN O'NEILL Viet Nam Vet Hero STILL GETS IT PING!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1526505/posts

Karl Rove knew, Nov. 7, 2004 , that hanoi kerry would try to run in '08
and knew Swift Boat Vet's would be called upon,
again, to serve our country.

Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts


48 posted on 02/18/2006 8:33:35 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It's ALWAYS a great day to be a Conservative Independent Voter AND a Viet Nam Vet)
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To: de Buillion; luvbach1
It makes perfect sense. We openly incited the enemy at every opportunity.

Political Correctness be damned.

49 posted on 02/18/2006 8:44:34 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


50 posted on 02/18/2006 8:57:35 AM PST by E.G.C.
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