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Retirement age 'will rise to 85'
BBC News ^ | Last Updated: Friday, 17 February 2006, 23:57 GMT | Paul Rincon, BBC News science reporter, St Louis

Posted on 02/18/2006 7:25:29 AM PST by Paleo Conservative

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To: SauronOfMordor
But changing welfare to "We'll support you and your fatherless kid for 5 years while you get job training -- but ONLY if you get permanently sterilized" will tend to eliminate the underclass problem within a generation

But thats not a solution for a free capitalistic society. At some point we have to choose...either we want socialism or capitalism. This in-between BS really pisses me off.

61 posted on 02/18/2006 9:27:44 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (It´s way past time to shut the barn door on illegal aliens.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I'm ready to start my run.


62 posted on 02/18/2006 9:30:58 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Actaully, the first place I read that sentiment was here, and it is frequently repeated by young freepers. An intellectually dishonest generalization if I ever heard one.

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You must be one of those young freepers who have espoused euthenasia for boomers. Either that or you have not seen the multiple threads over the past couple of years where it is espoused.

63 posted on 02/18/2006 9:31:55 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: wtc911

Idea goes way back. I imagine that young cave men thought that old men running things "ain't right".

Jonathan Swift in Gulliver chapter 26 ridicules both sides in this matter - remember the "Struldbrugs"?


64 posted on 02/18/2006 9:31:58 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

From your lips to God's ear....

But don't forget, the politicians will count the votes before they do anything.


65 posted on 02/18/2006 9:36:22 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Paleo Conservative
Retirement age 'will rise to 85'

I will be retiring from 9-5 work at age sixty. I will not need SS or Medicare and wish I could opt out of both.

66 posted on 02/18/2006 9:36:38 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Have you hugged your accountant today?)
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To: Iris7

Yeah, the idea is old but it is disconcerting to read freepers suggest it as a way of dealing with aging boomers.


67 posted on 02/18/2006 9:39:32 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: wtc911
You must be one of those young freepers who have espoused euthenasia for boomers.

You must have a death wish. And your disdain for younger people is a personal problem only you can deal with.

Personally, euthenasia, whether forced or voluntary is very wrong in my book. BTW not all younger people have such a coarse and disrespectful attitude towards their elders, much less the old and infirm. Its a shame that a minority of the a-holes have shaped your opinion.

68 posted on 02/18/2006 9:39:54 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (It´s way past time to shut the barn door on illegal aliens.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
I'm with you my Bureaucratic Gen X friend!

My circumstances are exceptional however.  There are those that never plan for the future and those that do but just don't know how much the future is going to cost.

I have significant savings already and have been planning for 30 years out for a decade now.  My unfortunate circumstance is that my wife and one of my two children are disabled.  My son will never be able to live on his own and I'm hoping to make it so that neither us or he is ever a (financial) burden on his sister.  The problem is that he will most certainly outlive us and I don't know what will happen afterwards.  The state already has a waiting list for group homes that is in the hundreds long and when the large number of Autistic kids today need housing in 30 years (after their belabored parents die), there will be no money or housing for them.  I'm doing my darndest to ensure that my current house can perhaps be turned into a private group home when the time comes but without charity or government support, I don't know what will happen to him after I'm gone.

Thus my "retirement years" will not be spent on the beach or traveling, they will be spent caring for the disabled while trying to keep a job that has health coverage.  So yes, I plan on working until the day I die.

Sorry for the downer

 

69 posted on 02/18/2006 9:40:46 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible
I have significant savings already and have been planning for 30 years out for a decade now. My unfortunate circumstance is that my wife and one of my two children are disabled. My son will never be able to live on his own and I'm hoping to make it so that neither us or he is ever a (financial) burden on his sister. The problem is that he will most certainly outlive us and I don't know what will happen afterwards. The state already has a waiting list for group homes that is in the hundreds long and when the large number of Autistic kids today need housing in 30 years (after their belabored parents die), there will be no money or housing for them. I'm doing my darndest to ensure that my current house can perhaps be turned into a private group home when the time comes but without charity or government support, I don't know what will happen to him after I'm gone.

Thus my "retirement years" will not be spent on the beach or traveling, they will be spent caring for the disabled while trying to keep a job that has health coverage. So yes, I plan on working until the day I die.

Sorry for the downer

Birds of a feather.

My teenage stepson is a manic-bipolar. He's 17 now...while its not austism (severe or mild) similiar things apply to both of us.

70 posted on 02/18/2006 9:46:31 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (It´s way past time to shut the barn door on illegal aliens.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

What a joke. It's like the Donner Party deciding on inheritance rights...or should I say..rites.


71 posted on 02/18/2006 9:47:13 AM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: ohhhh

>>>>In the US the cost of social security and medical care would almost double if people retired at 65....

Triage and selective elimination; the only way we can afford our "Great" Society.


72 posted on 02/18/2006 9:48:45 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Spreading liberal beliefs is as wrong as spreading AIDS.)
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To: AlaskaErik

A 50 or 75 or 1,000 year "mortgage" would have payments not terribly smaller than the payments in a thirty year mortgage.

Innumeracy is common amongst those claiming to be "scientists". Mann's "hockey stick" shaped climate change curve (and therefore "global warming" theory) is a good example. One might call me harsh in describing such and eminent climate scholar innumerate, yet otherwise Mann must be a fraud -


73 posted on 02/18/2006 9:51:28 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

This is why I am going to start saving for retirement immediately once I begin working after college. No waiting except for maybe a couple months to get myself oriented. It has to start soon, for I can't count on getting ANY SS and heaven knows how little that covers anyway.


74 posted on 02/18/2006 9:57:55 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I certainly appreciate your desire to make me work 20 years longer so you can stand back and laugh.

Thank you, Mr. Boomer.


75 posted on 02/18/2006 9:59:27 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Paleo Conservative
What is this, "retirement" that is spoken of?

I'm in my mid-thirties, and I've just accepted the fact that there's no way on God's green Earth that I'm ever getting any Social Security, nor will I ever really be able to 'retire.' And I'm darn bitter about the majority of the Boomers who feel like they've "earned it," and deserve a handout (earned on my ass) at every turn.

76 posted on 02/18/2006 10:00:30 AM PST by Malacoda (The Posting Police annoy me)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

I am planning on 75 or so in any event before retirement. If the retirement age is raised to 85, I will retire at 75 and use the rest of my savings to cover me for the 10 years.


77 posted on 02/18/2006 10:00:43 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I plan on working until 85 and longer - I'm 53 now - but it certainly won't be doing what I'm doing now. And it will be under the proviso that I can quit anytime I want because my personal retirement plans (which do not include Social Security) will cover me.

The difficulty with all these doom-and-gloom scenarios is that don't take into account the fact that intelligent men and women adjust to changing conditions. Healthy 70-year-olds who want to start new careers other than the ones they've been stuck with for a "lifetime" will have the time to do so. That isn't a bad thing. And those careers will not be in competition with the young pups in most cases. It was fun, but I don't want to be a stud in a Turkish harem anymore - let the young folks do that now.

Anyway, I have a backup plan. We increase the retirement age to 64 on my 65th birthday, to 74 on my 75th, raise taxes to support the whole thing, and the X'ers WILL BE MY SLAVES FOREVER!!! MOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry.

78 posted on 02/18/2006 10:05:13 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Hopes?

Their entire structure is BASED on it!

SS is a Ponzi scheme.


79 posted on 02/18/2006 10:06:51 AM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Paleo Conservative

No problem, I'll be in my 90's in 2050. And retired. Bwahahahaha!


80 posted on 02/18/2006 10:08:34 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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