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Battleship Brouhaha
Fox News ^ | February 15, 2006 | Hannity & Colmes

Posted on 02/18/2006 7:18:58 PM PST by george76

from "Hannity & Colmes," ...

SEAN HANNITY...from San Francisco tonight, the board of supervisors here overwhelmingly voted to reject a plan last year that would bring the historic World War II Iowa battleship right here to San Francisco harbor, as a museum and tourist center.

We're now joined by one of the supervisors that voted against that plan, Gerardo Sandoval is with us.

You don't want a symbol of war in the harbor. Is what you said to me.

GERARDO SANDOVAL: That's right...

it's a warship and it's got guns on it. It fires things. You know, you can't deny what it is.

SANDOVAL: I don't think we should have a military. Absolutely.

SANDOVAL: The United States should not have a military. All in all, we would be in much, much, much better shape.

...what do you want to defend ourselves with?

SANDOVAL: Well, you got cops. It's called the Coast Guard.

HANNITY: I've got to tell you, this is a first. You made look Alan look like a hawk.

I'm going to tell you something. If America is attacked, you have no defenses.

You have no liberty.

You have no freedom.

You can't think in such a shallow way.

You've got to tell me that this is a joke.

HANNITY: Or when al Qaeda attacks you, what are you going to do?

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1 posted on 02/18/2006 7:18:58 PM PST by george76
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2 posted on 02/18/2006 7:19:58 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76; SandRat; Grampa Dave; river rat

“That’s absurd!”

To which Sandoval arrogantly quipped: “Welcome to San Francisco.”


3 posted on 02/18/2006 7:21:30 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
I heard him the other day on Sean's radio show. He basically said that San Fran doesn't need a military--they could defend themselves with police officers and firefighters.

Not to disparage our men in blue and our firemen, but they are largely responders...after an attack. (And thank goodness they are willing to do that!)

4 posted on 02/18/2006 7:26:22 PM PST by TNdandelion
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To: george76

I've never left anything there that I want to go back for.


5 posted on 02/18/2006 7:26:51 PM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: george76
Why do you have that photo of Billy Crystal as Fernando Lamas? ;)

This guy can only be described with the word "clueless".

Hope you're happy with your representation, San Franciscans.

6 posted on 02/18/2006 7:27:23 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: george76

Even Colmes thought this guy was an idiot.


7 posted on 02/18/2006 7:28:35 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: TNdandelion

We need cops and firemen.

We also need a Navy, an Army, an Air Force...


8 posted on 02/18/2006 7:31:08 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I would think that most San Franciscan's would find the idea of anybody bringing a set of 16 inchers to town, rather exciting.


9 posted on 02/18/2006 7:31:08 PM PST by ansel12
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To: TNdandelion

What are the SFPD going to respond with? The City Council wants to take away their firearms.


10 posted on 02/18/2006 7:32:20 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: TNdandelion

And had Sandoval asked any cops or firefighters if they'd be ok with that? My guess is, uh, No!


11 posted on 02/18/2006 7:34:20 PM PST by TeddyCon
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To: george76
Geraldo you know what a Sand Oval is?...
No!..
Its where muslims bury moronic clueless latinos.. Oh! and their familys..
12 posted on 02/18/2006 7:34:21 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Thunder90
"Armed with what... Spitballs ?"


13 posted on 02/18/2006 7:35:38 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Graybeard58

This guy is an idiot.

This guy getting elected also says that the voters in SF are even bigger idiots.


14 posted on 02/18/2006 7:37:43 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Your quote makes it look like Hannity is making all those points. Much of the action is carried by Colmes in a Democrat-on-Democrat discussion which shows the hidden strains in the so-called "loyal opposition." (Some are and some aren't.)
15 posted on 02/18/2006 7:38:47 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: george76

Hell, maybe San Francisco doesn't "need" judges eithers! Maybe have just a bunch of Guessers, huh Gerry?


16 posted on 02/18/2006 7:39:50 PM PST by TeddyCon
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To: george76

But without useless POSs like Sand Oval, the rest of us would not believe just how screwed up that town is.

Like the expression goes, nobody's completely useless:
you can always be a bad example!


17 posted on 02/18/2006 7:42:08 PM PST by Redbob (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in a car with Teddy Kennedy!)
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To: george76

The Third Worlder merely adding his two cents towards sapping the Americans will to resist.


18 posted on 02/18/2006 7:42:19 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: VadeRetro

Here is the video...

"Sean was interviewing ultra-lib San Francisco Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval and was doing a fairly good job of exposing him for the anti-military leftist that he is, but it didn’t get really good until Alan jumped in.

In his typical style, he attempted to make Sandoval sound a little less looney by asking him a leading question to the effect of “Do you think the United States ought to have a military?”, fully expecting him to respond with something like “Well, of course”. Instead, the guy said “No”.

That left Colmes sputtering and try as he might, he couldn’t rehabilitate the interview. This guy, an elected San Francisco official, is a complete whacko and Colmes proved it.

It was priceless."

http://exposetheleft.net/video/hannitycolmessandoval.wmv



19 posted on 02/18/2006 7:44:51 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I think this is called "chasing the tail while running in one's own stools."


20 posted on 02/18/2006 7:44:52 PM PST by labette (In the beginning God created....)
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To: george76

This guy is a complete idiot and someone should cut off his balls so he doesn't breed.


21 posted on 02/18/2006 7:45:17 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: george76
That link may be too child-proof for me. It thinks I'm trying to hot-link it.

But the transcript was fascinating enough. As you say, Colmes seems dismayed to find such a turkey so far up the ladder in his party. I could almost feel for the guy. (Nah!)

23 posted on 02/18/2006 7:50:03 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: george76

I think she's way to big to fit through the channels and a bazillion other obstacles, but I with they could get her to Duluth and make her a museum there. I don't know how much it costs to operate such a beast, but I'd happily pay a pretty penny to search her stem to stern at least once per year.


24 posted on 02/18/2006 7:50:18 PM PST by stevem
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To: silvermace
San Francisco would be a great place to test a neutron bomb - the buildings are standing, but the people are gone.
25 posted on 02/18/2006 7:50:21 PM PST by BW2221
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To: george76

Why not return the USS Iowa to where it was it was laid down and commissioned - New York. Put it right between Ground Zero and the Statue of Liberty, also across the Brooklyn Navy Yards.


26 posted on 02/18/2006 7:52:06 PM PST by Minutemantek (VETERAN)
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To: VadeRetro

Sorry.

This might have been a better link.

http://exposetheleft.com/2006/02/14/hannitycolmessandoval/


27 posted on 02/18/2006 7:53:15 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The horrifying part of this story is that Sandoval is considered a moderate on the SF Board of Supervisors.

And one of the smarter ones.


28 posted on 02/18/2006 7:53:44 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: Minutemantek

It should go somewhere it is appreciated.


29 posted on 02/18/2006 7:55:39 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: silvermace

bump!


30 posted on 02/18/2006 7:55:46 PM PST by jpsb
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To: stevem

I was aboard the USS Missouri when she was still in commission in the Eighties- and she visited San Francisco. Fantastic ship.

Sandoval is a fool. It's a terrible shame that he and people like him have taken over what used to be a wonderful town.


31 posted on 02/18/2006 7:56:14 PM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: BW2221
Let them do this a few times into San Francisco. Maybe they'd "straighten" up.


32 posted on 02/18/2006 7:56:55 PM PST by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: NCC-1701

Nice picture. Thanks.


33 posted on 02/18/2006 7:58:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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"Sean was interviewing ultra-lib San Francisco Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval and was doing a fairly good job of exposing him for the anti-military leftist that he is, but it didn’t get really good until Alan jumped in.

It's not just him, most of the leadership of San Francisco are ultra-liberal leftists. And they came from elsewhere. San Francisco used to have a Republican base (and mayor). Over the last 45 years, these screwed-up leftists have ruined a formerly pro-military town.

I'm a native-born San Franciscan, my dad was a career military man. Back in the 1950's, he would have no problem parking a military jeep in front of our house in the Mission District. There used to be an block-size armory in our district, filled with military vehicles, and I felt proud when he took me inside to see the wonder of it all. Same goes for our trips to the Presidio when he bought goods there. Also our trips to the Treasure Island navy base.

The SF leaders have effectively kicked the U.S. military out of San Francisco. If they had their way, they'd want to ruin the rest of our nation.

34 posted on 02/18/2006 8:05:06 PM PST by roadcat
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You're welcome. Awesome, isn't it? That's the personification of "projection of power".


35 posted on 02/18/2006 8:05:26 PM PST by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: silvermace

"The Iowa class battleships are a national treasure; they're the one thing we have which could plausibly sail straight into the straits of Hormuz with no fear of any conventional weapon."

SR-71's are supposedly mothballed yet they are still resurrected occasionally and put into service flying super hi speed trips or recon. I suspect the battleships could likewise be pressed back into service without a great deal of trouble, perhaps even those being used as museums. Alas, my poor super-connies are long gone.


36 posted on 02/18/2006 8:08:09 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Redbob
But without useless POSs like Sand Oval, the rest of us would not believe just how screwed up that town is.

Hey, without useless POS's like him, the town wouldn't be screwed up! Wouldn't that be preferable?

37 posted on 02/18/2006 8:14:13 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: TNdandelion

They don't like cops and firemen here in SF either.


38 posted on 02/18/2006 8:15:21 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Lancer_N3502A
This guy is a complete idiot and someone should cut off his balls so he doesn't breed.

Well, if he's from SF, he probably uses them in a way not conducive to reproduction. If he's the exception, you wouldn't be able to find them to cut them off, as his wife has 'em in a jar.

39 posted on 02/18/2006 8:16:39 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Graybeard58
Even Colmes thought this guy was an idiot.

Wow! Now that's saying something!

40 posted on 02/18/2006 8:17:06 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Mogengator

Yep. Sandoval isn't the worst of them. Chris Daley is the ne plus ultra of loons.


41 posted on 02/18/2006 8:17:17 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Sheesh! I say build a fence on the city limit and put border patrol there!


42 posted on 02/18/2006 8:19:06 PM PST by TNdandelion
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To: Thunder90

OH, PLEASE let htose mindless jerks take the weapons from the PD. You will ave wholesale resignations. Even the limp wristed are not that stupid!


Of course, if they are, we may be able to take SF back and restore it within a couple weeks.


43 posted on 02/18/2006 8:19:49 PM PST by lawdude (2006 Republican bumper sticker : Vote Republican: We are NOT democrats!)
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To: george76

Maybe Sand Oval could spend some time in the Middle East, and should he be unlucky enough to get the Nick Berg treatment from some terrorists, he might have the scales lifted from his eyes just before his decapitation.


44 posted on 02/18/2006 8:37:02 PM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: george76
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i'm GLAD sanFAGsisco didn't get it... they aren't fit for the the Honor of having it!!!
45 posted on 02/18/2006 8:40:00 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Rembrandt

The huge costs of placing either the battleships or SR-71s into active service are prohibitive, as well, the logistics and personnel demands are virtually impossible given our force transition program to small, reactive and aggressive units.


46 posted on 02/18/2006 8:59:20 PM PST by middie (ath.)
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To: Rembrandt
I suspect the battleships could likewise be pressed back into service without a great deal of trouble, perhaps even those being used as museums.
Wish it were that easy, the Navy doesn't have the men with the training to operate a 600 psi manually operated steam plant any more. And it isn't something you learn from a book.
And the 16" guns are the same, no trained men to operate them.
You could call back the old 50+ yr old retired to train the crews, but it would take a lot of time, and many of us wouldn't fit down the scuttles any more.
Jack
47 posted on 02/18/2006 9:46:58 PM PST by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: silvermace
The Iowa class battleships are a national treasure; they're the one thing we have which could plausibly sail straight into the straits of Hormuz with no fear of any conventional weapon

Torpedoes are conventional weapons.
48 posted on 02/19/2006 1:01:44 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: george76

This insane/diseased maggot from Gay Frisco is another great reason to never visit San Francisco and to never spend any money there.


50 posted on 02/19/2006 6:17:37 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Visit Free Republic to enjoy shameless Schadenfreude as the lies of liberals are exposed!)
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