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Link to the Dover court opinion: Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al.

I added the links, and a tad of bold, underlining, etc. Everyone be nice.

1 posted on 02/19/2006 12:05:33 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 02/19/2006 12:06:42 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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Most pro-evolutionist posters realize that the idea ought to be able to stand on its own two (or 4 or 6 feet) without the assistance of the courts.

Actually, any idea that needs the help of the judiciary to stay current, has got a fundamental problem.

And just as I was reading that Judge's decision I recalled I hadn't gotten this month's Discover. Surprisingly, or maybe not surprisingly, it had an article on MIMIVIRUS, which has more genes in it than many bacteria, and is very complex.

This piece is worth reading by everyone.

Although it doesn't "dethrone" evolution, I don't think the authors of the piece quite understood that it's possible "evolution" takes place much more like the installation of a fuel injection system in a '57 Chevy than in small, incremental steps, all of which involve mutation. At this moment the world's oceans are filled with millions of different viruses, with different genes. Our cells are also filled with tens of thousands of different viral bodies right in our genome. Our own genes are of the same class and kind as viral genes, and our chromosomes even take the same shape as virus chromosomes.

Are viruses continuing to insert themselves into our genome, and what purposes are all those dormant genes in the viruses filling the ocean fulfilling?

And are those viruses just the happenstance creations of bacterial infections, or were they dispatched in gross shipments from vast distances across the Cosmos?

6 posted on 02/19/2006 12:25:48 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis

Evolution and creation are equally untestable.

9 posted on 02/19/2006 12:37:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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"Kitzmiller is ID's Waterloo" placemarker


28 posted on 02/19/2006 1:54:57 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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The FOIA documents showed, among other things, that board members ignored the recommendations of the Department of Education's own science experts, who said the lesson plan was inaccurate and misleading.

So that's why FOIA inquiry was required.

40 posted on 02/19/2006 7:08:36 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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"Steve Stough, another parent in the Dover case, said he has teased Tammy Kitzmiller, the lead plaintiff, about how frequently her name is now referenced. Last month, on the heels of the Dover decision, her name came up when a California school district dropped what critics called a pro-creationist philosophy class after a group of parents filed suit."

Brown boots or black?

44 posted on 02/19/2006 7:22:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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...In Texas, Gov. Rick Perry, who is running for re-election, said he supports intelligent design and thinks it should be taught in public school science class. ...

Is this true? I thought he was waffling.

47 posted on 02/19/2006 9:37:16 PM PST by Virginia-American
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But there is no controversy in the mainstream scientific community.

Or more accurately, the controversies aren't related to the basic theory of evolution. The controversies are in the details.

53 posted on 02/20/2006 7:22:03 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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