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To: Blueflag
o me, there's a good chance that the F-22 and the JSF will be the LAST piloted strike aircraft.

I keep seeing this opinion being forwarded, and I still don't understand what you folks are basing it on. It is just a ridiculous notion.

9 posted on 02/20/2006 8:31:30 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Personally I am thinking how mission planning and execution would improve **IF**, as a logical evolution, the 'armed Predator' were available in a higher-speed, more weapons-variable, more survivable platform. [who needs a crewed platform orbiting the battlefield, patrolling a kill-box when a SUITABLE UCAV could put guided munitions on target?]

I do NOT believe we can take a human out of the cockpit of an ait-to-air mission, or out of a close air support mission; at least not for YEARS. The F-22 has a long life ahead of it to secure air superiority and supremacy, to win air-to-air engagement, to provide some air-to-mud. The A-10 or its eventual replacement (the Marines like the F-18D) will always have a manned mission if you ask me.

Now, just to gig you a little -- I presume from your name you are a former zoomie ... is your preference for people in the cockpit just *slightly* colored by your perspective? ;-)


I DO firmly believe that advances in systems, targeting etc etc put a crew in the B-2 for no apparent reason.
12 posted on 02/20/2006 8:41:37 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Pukin Dog
p.s. just read your "manifesto" re-published by CongressmanBillieBob. Congrats on your service in the Navy. My father was a first a Marine pilot and then a Navy aviator. My mom was a WAVE, my bro a Ranger. I was NPQ due to a back injury. Thanks for serving. I wish I could have.

I've never flown anything faster than about 135 KIAS, or with more than four cylinders, or even above FL10. So you can bust me. ;-)

Just so ya know, I never want you guys to leave the front cockpit and let the 'computer' land our fully loaded 737 at LaGuardia with a 25 knot crosswind component. I see certain military missions as tailor-made for advanced UCAVs, other well-suited for piloted aircraft.
18 posted on 02/20/2006 8:52:18 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Pukin Dog

It's well known that it costs lots of time and lots of money to train a fighter pilot. It takes actual air combat to separate the aces from the skeet- and statistically, those are the only two divisions.
During WWII, both Japan and Germany had large numbers of first-line fighters at the close of the war. What they ran out of was skilled pilots.
Unmanned vehicles will allow us to fly extremely high-risk missions while protecting those expensive pilots from harm.
Also remember, a pilotless vehicle can pull a lot more Gs in a dogfight without danger of the pilot blacking out. And the weight of the pilot and his support systems can be replaced with extra fuel and weapons stores.


43 posted on 02/20/2006 3:42:19 PM PST by Ostlandr ( CONUS SITREP is foxtrot uniform bravo alfa romeo)
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