[TChris]

When are people going to learn that the Constitution doesn't grant any rights, it simply enumerates some of them that where given to men (and women) by God.

Very true. But also irrelevant to this post. I never claimed that the Constitution grants rights.

[THEUPMAN]

where given to men (and women) by God.
Very true. But also irrelevant


? irrelevant? .. you agree that the rights that are listed in the Bill of Rights are simply examples of rights given to men by the creator and yet some how they only apply to government ?

A contract made based on illegal foundations can't be enforced.
Can a man sell himself into slavery?

inalienable rights.

Can you ask me to give up my right to breath as a condition to buy food?
You can ... but I can't really give up that right ... I can submit and not exercise it , but at any given moment I could pick it up again.

Rights given by God are always there , men can fail to exercise them, but they are always there.

Our founders recognized that , there was a great debate about including the bill of rights in the Constitution because some people thought it would confuse people. .. and it has.

In so far as I hurt no one , I have the right to protect my self and the obligation to protect my community.
If you ask me to give up that right as part of a contractual agreement for employment , your crossing a line.
Government is instituted among men to preserve and protect the individual rights that other men would steal , ether through force of arms or coercion of mind.