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THE PORT DEAL - THIS COULD BE BUSH'S FIRST VETO? HE'S JOKING, RIGHT? (Boortz on Poortz)
Nealz Nuze ^ | 2/22/06 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 02/22/2006 4:24:38 PM PST by LibertarianInExile

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To: MikeinIraq

Oh, right, your question was such a fair-minded one, no slam at all:

The government should FORCE a company into a deal? Since when is THAT a conservative ideal?

You imply I'm trying to force a company into the deal, and not conservative. So you can blow that "I-just-asked-a-question" b.s. out your piehole. I responded appropriately to your insulting post--now you can either respond to the questions I posed back or stay on the porch.


41 posted on 02/22/2006 5:10:01 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

nope no slam at all.

YOu will see what you want to see. You've done the same with the ports deal, you will continue to do so as you see fit.

I don't see any reason to play to your insanity. Good day.

PS,

Do us a favor and go back into exile.


42 posted on 02/22/2006 5:10:47 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: LibertarianInExile

Please tell me you do not honestly believe people have behaved sensibly in their objections?

Read this lengthy thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1582942/posts

On on end we have folks claiming the President has sold us out to the terrorists, that he is a drunken shrub. On the other we have folks claiming everyone in objection to this sale hates Arabs. Oh, I think some do. One needs only to be on certain threads and witness the Bomb Mecca crowd, but imo they are not the Majority of those objecting. Nonetheless, you cannot read that thread and advance the argument folks have behaved rationally from the start.

Many folks on both sides have been close minded from the start, accepting only what they want to believe, ready to string up the President on one end or hang dissenters on the other. Spreading misinformation and spin that suits their arguments. People are talking past each other and if you think that serves anyones interest let alone the countries you are sadly mistaken.

You pose me a question. I ask you in return one. When have I objected to folks raising their voice against any deal at any time? You'll have a good effort in finding a statement to nail me with. I don't object to the "objections". I object to the irrationality, the behavior of some folks that led a Congresswoman to write a "hell No" brief statement to the President instead of a factual, thoughtful, and even passionate dissent, against the sale which would be acceptable. THAT is the height of hysteria and irrationality. Until that ceases discussion cannot be advanced readily.


43 posted on 02/22/2006 5:16:44 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Its not about ports security. Its about trade and jobs. But Neal Boortz is right: its just too darn complicated to understand and I agree a veto would be very unwise and its good to see the Administration having second thoughts about it. If only the Democrats would stop hyperventilating and take a closer look at this deal instead of playing politics we'd all be better off. I'm afraid that's not gonna happen when people are running around like chickens with their heads chopped off.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

44 posted on 02/22/2006 5:17:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Why is the 'then what' so amorphous? Seems to me an easy solution--the UAE may buy the Brit corp but must sell the port contract to an American company. If none will bite at the original terms, the government will have to sweeten the deal to ensure these ports are secure. Americans are willing to spend for national security in Iraq, they will be willing to spend it on the home front, too.

Sure, subsidy is not normally conservative. But American national security is the one thing I thought wasn't subject to penny-pinching. There is no on-the-books profit for running national defense anyway. Just as there was uproar upon finding we were contracting for TSA staff from outside the U.S., and we should have stopped that entirely, we shouldn't be doing this for American ports, even if it costs extra.


45 posted on 02/22/2006 5:17:58 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: MikeinIraq

Right, no slam intended, I'm sure. /sarc As usual, you swoop in and toss insults then can't defend yourself so run away. Don't let the door hit you where God split ya.


46 posted on 02/22/2006 5:19:45 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

As usual you won't STFU when you need too, especially when you are wrong.

I don't need to defend myself. I'm NOT in the wrong here. I've researched the issue. There's nothing to be this upset about, unless, that is, you WANT to side with Chuck Schumer and his union buddies.

That's on YOU, not me.


47 posted on 02/22/2006 5:22:18 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Soul Seeker
It is bad when you are trying to build democracies in the middle east with Arabs that don't favor terrorism, but don't look at us well either, to react as so many have done.

Pakistan's an ally in the WOT, shall we have them run the ports? We've also been told that Yemen and Saudi Arabia have cooperated -- so they'd be OK, also?

The bottom line is, every Arab/Muslim country will do what's best for themselves, to keep their largely ignorant populaces under control by keeping their wrath directed at "the other," and away from where it belongs -- the fat cats who sit on top of the oil money.

What does supporting the WOT mean nowadays -- funding terrorists but denying it? Letting terrorists escape prison? Recognizing the Taliban?

Some support.

48 posted on 02/22/2006 5:22:41 PM PST by browardchad
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To: LibertarianInExile

Well .. we have a very, very vital military base which the UAE is leasing to us. It's VITAL to the WOT in Iraq - and if we should need to go into Iran - this base would be crucial.

To spit in these people's faces this way could cost us to lose that base. UAE is not perfect - but several people I consider knowledgable on the comings and goings of UAE has stated on TV that the UAE has recently passed laws making harboring a terrorist a crime .. and other related terrorist laws. While there is some question about their assisting us ENOUGH regarding terrorist bank accounts .. I don't have the info to say that's true or untrue.

So much of this has been blown sky-high - AS THE DEMOCRATS ALWAYS DO - that some of the TRUTH about the deal has gone unreported and unrevealed.


49 posted on 02/22/2006 5:22:55 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Why is the 'then what' so amorphous? Seems to me an easy solution--the UAE may buy the Brit corp but must sell the port contract to an American company.

I agree with you 199%, but I am yet to here of any American company, or Government entity that could run the ports. DHS or FEMA? Perhaps the Navy, but not on this scale. I'm against the deal, but would like to know the consequences.

50 posted on 02/22/2006 5:23:20 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: LibertarianInExile
It's certainly not his first threat of a veto.

Whether he vetoes depends on the congress.

51 posted on 02/22/2006 5:24:15 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: I got the rope

You insist on making excuses to hide your bigotry.


52 posted on 02/22/2006 5:27:51 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: MikeinIraq
"Last time I checked the UAE isn't the Taliban"

Last time I checked, the UAE recognized the Taliban as the rightful and proper government of Afghanistan.

"and they do have a diplomatic mission with Israel"

At least as recently as Feb 2005, the UAE had no formal relations with Israel, and a visit by a UAE official to Jerusalem brought swift backlash from the UAE government, which stated in no uncertain terms that he had overstepped his bounds and authority and was acting on his own. News from Israel that a mission was to be established was quickly refuted by the UAE government as "Israeli propaganda". See here. If you have different information, please do share.

"your comment is less than moot, it's irresponsible and insulting to one of our best allies in the ME region."

The UAE is as much our 'friend' as Saudi Arabia. Hamas, prior to their election victory, often issued statements from Abu Dhabi. Why? They don't have to worry about getting arrested; they're on the same side.
53 posted on 02/22/2006 5:28:11 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Hey, pot, you can stop calling the kettle black now. You're the one who won't answer my questions and left with his panties in a wad, Alec Baldwin. Now you're back? How about telling me how having the UAE government running these ports is putting American security interests first? And it IS the UAE government, you're not disputing that, too, I hope. How about answering my other questions? Or are you going to go off on a Chuck Schumer tangent again while I call you out for being Jimmy Carter's pal?


54 posted on 02/22/2006 5:32:11 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: ozoneliar
counters the arguements that "oh, the UAE will not be in a position to subvert security at all".

...but conveniently makes no mention of the fact that 80% of the shipping terminals in LA are run by foreign entities and almost half of them are owned by the Communist Chinese.......

55 posted on 02/22/2006 5:32:19 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (When in doubt, I ask myself: "What would Jack Bauer do?" My boss isn't going to like the answer...)
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To: NJ_gent

So the UAE Is poisoning the water they give to our troops?

so they are shooting missiles at our planes leaving the strip in the UAE?

No and no.


56 posted on 02/22/2006 5:32:55 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: LibertarianInExile

oh yeah Jimmy Carter is SUCH a good friend of mine...

LOL

it's knee-jerkers like yourself that are bringing this forum down with it.

FR is a laughingstock now as it was with Terri Schindler was murdered in Tampa.


This is my last post to you. Good day.


57 posted on 02/22/2006 5:34:15 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: MikeinIraq
"So the UAE Is poisoning the water they give to our troops?
so they are shooting missiles at our planes leaving the strip in the UAE?
No and no."


Poisoning a small amount of water going to a small number of troops does little in the grand scheme of things. It isn't in the interests of the UAE government to risk falling under the military hammer of the United States over such a minor and forgettable victory.

Smuggling a nuclear device or three into the United States, however...
58 posted on 02/22/2006 5:36:35 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: MikeinIraq

I smell Andy Card again. Orse Bush may be half as tone deaf/ dumb as the Demons say he is. He's a terrific place holder President. I expected more I guess..?


59 posted on 02/22/2006 5:36:42 PM PST by samadams2000 (Remember our Founding Fathers were REAL men- Unlike today's Rinos)
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To: NJ_gent

Oh give me a break......


60 posted on 02/22/2006 5:38:15 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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