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House backs no gun permits
Casper Star Tribune ^ | February 23, 2006 | BEN NEARY

Posted on 02/23/2006 2:16:11 AM PST by SLB

CHEYENNE -- Wyoming residents would be able to carry concealed handguns without going through the existing state permit process under a bill that received initial approval Wednesday from the House of Representatives.

By a voice vote, the House overwhelmingly approved the bill. It still needs two more approvals in the House before it would head to the Senate.

The bill would specify that in order to carry a concealed handgun, a person must be at least 21 years old, not be a felon and not habitually use alcohol to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired.

Supporters said the legislation wouldn't do away with Wyoming's existing permit system for concealed handguns. Holders of such permits, which require a state background check, can carry concealed weapons in other states with reciprocity agreements and also don't have to wait for criminal background checks before buying handguns from dealers.

Rep. Becket Hinckley, R-Cheyenne and among the sponsors of the bill, said the legislation will appeal to people who don't trust the government and don't want to submit to government background checks before exercising their right to carry guns. He said hunters often want to carry handguns under their coats, but don't want to place their names on any government lists by applying for concealed carry permits.

Rep. Dan Zwonitzer, R-Cheyenne, said he owns guns and enjoys shooting. However, he said Wyoming is among the top states in the country in terms of gun-related deaths by population and said the state doesn't need legislation to encourage more people to carry guns.

Zwonitzer quoted the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states in part that a "well-regulated militia" is necessary to the security of a free state. He said he wouldn't have a problem with the bill if it specified that members of the Wyoming National Guard have a right to carry weapons.

Rep. Stephen Watt, R-Rock Springs, responded that the term "militia," when the Constitution was written, "included just about everybody in America."

Rep. Steve Harshman, R-Casper, said the question comes down to whether lawmakers trust the people.

"As a native son of Wyoming, I've hunted and fished, and grew up with guns," Harshman said. "It's been a real joy."

Byron Oedekoven, executive director of the Wyoming Association of Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police, said after the House vote that his group opposes the legislation and intends to lobby lawmakers to oppose it.

"The bill is troubling," Oedekoven said. "And please convey that we are for the Second Amendment."

Among the association's concerns with the bill, Oedekoven said, is no requirement that people show any proficiency with a handgun and no requirement that they undergo criminal background checks.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; concealed; gun
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Leave it to the sheriffs and police chiefs to oppose. Maybe next election the citizens of The Equality State will remember them.
1 posted on 02/23/2006 2:16:12 AM PST by SLB
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Squantos; Lion Den Dan; Joe Brower

Ping to ya.


2 posted on 02/23/2006 2:17:14 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB
This is pretty close to the Vermont Rules.

Well, it's way better than what we have in the Peoples Republic of Illinois which is exactly nothing.

L

3 posted on 02/23/2006 2:18:33 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: SLB
"...and not habitually use alcohol to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired."

Does this mean never again, or just while carrying concealed? ;>)
4 posted on 02/23/2006 2:22:55 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: Lurker
Well, it's way better than what we have in the Peoples Republic of Illinois which is exactly nothing.

My sympathy to you.
You are either up early or staying up late.

5 posted on 02/23/2006 2:27:40 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: CaptSkip
"...and not habitually use alcohol to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired."

A phrase like this will get it tossed in a court.

6 posted on 02/23/2006 2:28:43 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB
I'm working believe it or not.

L

7 posted on 02/23/2006 2:34:47 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: SLB

This ought not even be on the agenda. If I want to carry, open or concealed it should be no business of govt. The police thereby will have no say in the matter, and can take care of their business, instead of meddling where they have no business. Evil guns always the first thing runaway govts look at to stop what, runaway citizens perhaps, in a pigs eye. Runaway govt is more like it. Trying ever so hard to make life better for the average dweller of pick a state. Legislators who have run out of constructive things to do during the session is more like it.


8 posted on 02/23/2006 2:37:21 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Lurker
I'm working believe it or not.

Alas, that is where I am heading in about 6 minutes. Off to the salt mines.

9 posted on 02/23/2006 2:39:22 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB
I'm out of here in a bit over 2 hours.

One more midnight shift keeping my County safe.

L

10 posted on 02/23/2006 2:53:59 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker

I'm in Pekin, Illinois. Up early but not for work. I gave that up in 1999.

Concealed carry won't happen in my life time. If you are young enough maybe it will happen in yours.


11 posted on 02/23/2006 3:08:13 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
I'm not that young, but I don't think I'll see it either.

Not with Chicago basically running the entire state.

I will tell you I was hopeful when Poshard came within a whisker of winning the Governors race against Ryan. I actually voted for the Democrat in that race.

I felt I had fallen into the Bizarro world. A pro-gun, pro-life Democrat running against an anti-gun, pro-abortion Republican.

Only in Illinois....

L

12 posted on 02/23/2006 3:19:50 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: SLB

"Zwonitzer quoted the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states in part that a "well-regulated militia" is necessary to the security of a free state. He said he wouldn't have a problem with the bill if it specified that members of the Wyoming National Guard have a right to carry weapons."

And why would there be a bill for that? Would the founding fathers really think it needed to put in the bill of rights an amendment to allow the militart to carry guns? That's common sense.


13 posted on 02/23/2006 3:31:04 AM PST by NapkinUser
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To: SLB
"The bill is troubling," Oedekoven said. "And please convey that we are for the Second Amendment."

No they're not.

14 posted on 02/23/2006 3:42:17 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Lurker
" I felt I had fallen into the Bizarro world. A pro-gun, pro-life Democrat running against an anti-gun, pro-abortion Republican. Only in Illinois....

That's because the guy was probably Polish, Who's great grandparents came from a country where "Democrat" meant democracy not Communism.

15 posted on 02/23/2006 3:57:29 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Lurker
" I felt I had fallen into the Bizarro world. A pro-gun, pro-life Democrat running against an anti-gun, pro-abortion Republican. Only in Illinois....

That's because the guy was probably Polish, Who's great grandparents came from a country where "Democrat" meant democracy not Communism.

16 posted on 02/23/2006 4:02:35 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: SLB
This is not a good idea. There should be some method to require proper permits. America is not the same country it was even 50 years ago.

There are so many people living in the U. S. today who have no idea of laws or authority much less the traditional culture that grew up in America, that we cannot allow just anyone to carry a gun.

For example, the mentally ill, ex-cons, the immature, and non-taxpayers, should be denied such a license. We test for driver's license and other permits, guns should be no different.

I am in favor of carry laws but it must be reasonably controlled.
17 posted on 02/23/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: R.W.Ratikal

"For example, the mentally ill, ex-cons, the immature, and non-taxpayers, should be denied such a license."


The mentally ill and excons for the most part will not obey gun laws if they have their heart set on getting a gun...

And for the life of me I cannot understand why you think non-taxpayers should be denied a license to buy and carry a gun. Care to explain?


18 posted on 02/23/2006 5:36:04 AM PST by ladyrustic
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To: SLB
"The bill is troubling," Oedekoven said. "And please convey that we are for the Second Amendment."

Got to be able to sing "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and whistle "Dixie" at the same time in his business...

19 posted on 02/23/2006 5:44:10 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: SLB

Militia?

From the Wyoming Constitution:

97-1-024. Right to bear arms. The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied.


20 posted on 02/23/2006 5:50:16 AM PST by 2Am4Sure
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