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The Elephant in the Living Room: The New Zealand Abortion Study
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | February 24, 2006 | Charles Colson

Posted on 02/24/2006 6:58:15 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

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Fergusson has told interviewers that he knows it’s because his findings are too “controversial”—so controversial that New Zealand’s Abortion Supervisory Committee warned him against publishing his work, not for scientific reasons, but for political ones.

In other words, they can't handle the truth. But don't forget, they're so intellectually superior to we emotion-driven, religious fanatic pro-lifers.

There are links to further information at the source document.

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1 posted on 02/24/2006 6:58:16 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 02/24/2006 6:59:22 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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3 posted on 02/24/2006 7:00:34 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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4 posted on 02/24/2006 7:01:58 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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That, my friends, is a true professional and a true scientist speaking.

Dittos! Kudos to Fergusson for his ethical strength.

5 posted on 02/24/2006 7:04:41 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Mr. Silverback
As Carl Jung told the world in Memories, Dreams, and Reflections, guilt is a very real and permanent part of a person. How one deals with it (or prevents it) means the difference between sanity and insanity.

Having an abortion as a consequence of sexual gratification means that a woman ultimately has to not only come to accept that she has murdered her child for pure physical gratification but then she must accept that the only way to find peace (clear conscience) is to find divine and personal forgiveness for the act.

Very tall order!

6 posted on 02/24/2006 7:11:37 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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"That, my friends, is a true professional and a true scientist speaking."

BUMP!


7 posted on 02/24/2006 7:26:50 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I would suggest to Dr. Fergusson that he now do a study from the baby's perspective.
8 posted on 02/24/2006 7:34:43 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Studies in Finland and California have showed the same findings.
9 posted on 02/24/2006 7:36:34 AM PST by lizma
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10 posted on 02/24/2006 7:55:07 AM PST by agrace
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To: Dark Skies

Having an abortion as a consequence of sexual gratification means that a woman ultimately has to not only come to accept that she has murdered her child for pure physical gratification but then she must accept that the only way to find peace (clear conscience) is to find divine and personal forgiveness for the act.

Very tall order!

But one than can and is being done daily. I am the representative of my church for CareNet. CareNet provides information to young women and men who are faced with an unwanted pregnancy. They offer ultrasound services so the parents can see exactly what is going on inside the womb. That the child is not just a lump of tissue, but it has movement and life. This past year, 80 children were born in our county that would have ended up in an abortionists trash heap had it not been for the counselling they received. The women are also provided with health care options. they are told about hopw important it is to get regular checkups throughout the pregancy. They can get diapers, formula and clothing for their newborns as well.

There is also counselling given to women who have gone through and abortion and who are suffering mentally and spiritually because of it. It is estimated that nearly half of the women in the US have had an abortion. (I think the number is 2 out of 5....and growing daily) This issue is huge. And one that desparately needs to be addressed. CareNet is a Christian based organization that truly changes lives... by given sound information to parents who find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy.

The shame that surrounds an abortion can be devastating and crippling for the survivor parents. The guilt can be overwhelming...not just for the women but the fathers as well. CareNet provides counselling for post abortion men as well.

Many years ago, I too had an unwanted pregancy and chose to end it through abortion. I hid that bit of information for many years...from my friends and family. The shame was unbearable. I also hid it from myself. I chose to tuck it deep within me and I ended up suicidal and depressed. I started drinking.

Through all the pain I eventually was found by my Savior....drunk and broken...sitting in a lump on my kitchen floor. He came to me that night and poured love all over me. I was overwhelmed by a God who came into my pit ...the stinking stench of my life to find me and to lift me up. I grew up in a church that taught me that I must be clean before I can approach God. But Jesus came to me just as I was....a sinner... and He redeemed me by His grace and not by my works.

It wasn't until years later that I became involved in the CareNet organization. I recieved counselling for post abortion stress....and found out that Jesus even forgives abortion. He is in the forgiving business and loves to redeem those who appear to be wholly unredeemable and who are shunned and judged by some of his so called flock.

I can testify to what He has done in my life. It IS a tall order, but not an impossible one. He can change you and He can restore you. He is using my life to help those who may want to follow in my footsteps. I am able to testify to others the devastating effect abortion has on the life of the abortive mother. It may seem like a quick fix....but it has life long consequences.





11 posted on 02/24/2006 7:56:08 AM PST by leenie312
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To: lizma

This needs more work. Now it looks like a correlation. It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.


12 posted on 02/24/2006 7:56:31 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

There is another thread going on the New Zealand story as well:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1584019/posts


13 posted on 02/24/2006 7:58:16 AM PST by linda_22003
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“It verges on scandalous that a surgical procedure that is performed on over one in 10 women has been so poorly researched and evaluated, given the debates about the psychological consequences of abortion.” But But But ... the abortion worshipping NARAL and democrap party tells us even the partial birth execution ban must have an exception for a woman's 'health'! It becomes more and more obvious that the real agenda is to protect the rite of child killing as an empowerment for women and selfish men, twisted women and twisted men (and just using 'men' in this sentence seems anathema because killing your own children doesn't fit my paradigm of 'modern man'; but the 'right' to kill your alive unborn child IS part of the 'modern woman' paradigm of leftist societal engineers).
14 posted on 02/24/2006 8:00:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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>This needs more work. Now it looks like a correlation. It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.<

Exactly. Maybe the reason it couldn't egt printed is because it prevents a shaky causality. Women who are having uinprotected sex in their youth probably have a screw loose going in, abortion or no.


15 posted on 02/24/2006 8:11:23 AM PST by teenagebambam
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It's also been demonstrated that young women engaging in promiscuous sex are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, etc., etc. ... but nobody wants to believe that there's any causation there, either.

Everyone knows that screwing around is good for young girls! Everyone knows that abortion is good for women! It's not NARAL's or PP's fault that some women just have psychological problems for no discernable reason.

Nothing to see here, folks, everybody just move along ...


16 posted on 02/24/2006 8:53:53 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Dark Skies

Well stated. I know a lady who had an abortion about 25 years ago, and still suffers from it. She has turned to fundamentalist Christian religion.


17 posted on 02/24/2006 9:10:36 AM PST by expatpat
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To: leenie312
He can change you and He can restore you.

Wonderful post, thx. He has rescued and restored me and I can't imagine living one moment without Him.

18 posted on 02/24/2006 9:15:45 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: teenagebambam

If kids see their parents jumping in and out of bedrooms, what makes you think that their kids will act any differently? What are the role models modeling?


19 posted on 02/24/2006 9:51:12 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: Mr. Silverback
"In other words, they can't handle the truth. But don't forget, they're so intellectually superior to we emotion-driven, religious fanatic pro-lifers."

There's a first for the thought-Nazis of the left, eh?

20 posted on 02/24/2006 10:01:18 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (It isn't Right vs Left anymore but Right vs WRONG)
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