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Sprawl pushes dairy families to consider leaving California
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 2/25/06 | Christina Almeida - ap

Posted on 02/25/2006 1:01:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: pointsal
guy 63 and 18-month old son....

Grandson, not son ... the wife would be none too happy at this point, I think.

21 posted on 02/25/2006 2:35:39 PM PST by ikka
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To: NormsRevenge
Because their farm is in a future flood zone, the family only expects to receive about $19 million for their land.
But a few states away in Texas, the Vander Dussens could purchase land for $1,700 an acre and build a dairy for half the cost. The total price would be around $12 million.

Boo hoo, my heart bleeds to death for these guys. My suggestion, go where you are wanted.

22 posted on 02/25/2006 2:36:31 PM PST by ikka
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To: NormsRevenge

I think this is a real shame. These farms have been family owned for MANY YEARS...if some of you can't grasp that concept....


23 posted on 02/25/2006 2:44:13 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: NormsRevenge
What a bunch of, well, bovine effluvia this article is.

I am so tired of hearing farmers, beneficiaries of price supports, tariff protection, federal and state subsidies, and all manner of tax breaks, whine when their property appreciates in value.

24 posted on 02/25/2006 2:50:45 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (I've upped my standards! Up yours!)
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To: ikka
"Boo hoo, my heart bleeds to death for these guys. My suggestion, go where you are wanted."

They are being forced off their land! This valley was once nothing but dairy farms and State prison. Now the dairies are being snapped up by developers and turned into housing tracts. the yuppies buy the new houses and act shocked when the area stinks like dairy farms.

I don't care what the family paid for the land generations ago. The land is theirs period. Because of the flooding that happens in the valley during heavy rains, it has been a very good thing that the place was dairy farms, and not housing developments. I hope that if the govt is taking the land by eminant domain, they do something about the flooding, or there will be loss of life there with every heavy rain.

I hope that this family can find a new location where they can buy ample good land to continue producing milk and dairy products for generations to come.

25 posted on 02/25/2006 2:53:35 PM PST by passionfruit ("...I think the left wing is turning into a cult... If you disagree you're a traitor")
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To: Brad's Gramma
I think this is a real shame. These farms have been family owned for MANY YEARS..if some of you can't grasp that concept....

Its hard to see the shame in someone's property getting so valuable that they can sell it, or even a small part of it and they and their children can live forever on the interest from investing the profits of their sale.

They should be happy for all the wealth they have generated, and what that will allow them to do for their family.

26 posted on 02/25/2006 3:48:30 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Servant of the 9

I lived in Chino Hills for ten years and I work for a doctor in Chino; personally, I hate to see these farms all go away. I used to like to cut through the dairyland and see all the cows and other animals, just as I liked seeing all the farmland on the Irvine Ranch when we lived there. Now Gilroy, the garlic capital, is being overtaken with houses.... at the current rate California will be wall-to-wall houses, but the Chino area is in such a perfect spot it was just a matter of time before it lost the ruralness.


27 posted on 02/25/2006 4:04:07 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: JohnnyZ

What if you are like my husband and myself, built our house to retire and now all the displaced Californian's are driving the home prices through the roof and our taxes with it... where do you suppose we all go????


28 posted on 02/25/2006 4:06:16 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
What if you are like my husband and myself, built our house to retire and now all the displaced Californian's are driving the home prices through the roof and our taxes with it... where do you suppose we all go????

Sell the house, make a bundle, move to Zona, the Gulf Coast, Mexico, geez it's a big frickin world pick someplace nice. And you'll have plenty of extra cash for an extra luxury cruise or three every year.

29 posted on 02/25/2006 4:54:09 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: freeandfreezing

Some things SHOULD mean more than money.

Well, they used to...


30 posted on 02/25/2006 5:10:37 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: NormsRevenge
Because their farm is in a future flood zone, the family only expects to receive about $19 million for their land.

And will we see new bonds and taxpayer dollars being used to build and shore up levees so the developers can reap the real profits?

31 posted on 02/25/2006 5:22:38 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Brad's Gramma

Some things SHOULD mean more than money.

Well, they used to...>>>>>>>>>>>>

I sometimes tell some of my young co-workers,"you have things that didn't exist when I was young but there are things that we had that you will never know". Most of those things they will never know cost little or nothing in terms of money but they were precious indeed!!!!!


32 posted on 02/25/2006 5:55:03 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: NormsRevenge

" Some dairymen are being offered up to $550,000 an acre -"

That pegs the BS meter. Myabe one farmer had a couple of acres go for that somewhere. Take a 0 away and you could get much closer.


33 posted on 02/25/2006 5:59:09 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I grew up in Chino. My parents moved there in 1977. My wife and I left for Indiana 3 years ago.

The Dutch farmers have been leaving Chino for years. This is nothing new.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 6:07:26 PM PST by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: RipSawyer
but there are things that we had that you will never know

Yes!!!! And that too is sad!

35 posted on 02/25/2006 7:06:27 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: passionfruit
They are being forced off their land! This valley was once nothing but dairy farms and State prison.

Maybe I seemed a little harsh, but they are going to make $7 Million and be able to have a completely new operation in Texas, if they choose. If they decide to retire, they could pocket almost all of the $19 million.

That is not a reason to cry... if these idiot yuppies want to not have dairy farms around, well, that is their loss... it does point out the evils of zoning though... they can literally re-zone you right out of the land.

36 posted on 02/25/2006 7:13:33 PM PST by ikka
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To: Paleo Conservative
There's no shortage of milk

There's a shortage of REAL MILK, and the fewer family dairies there are, the harder it will be to get in the future.

37 posted on 02/26/2006 6:43:13 PM PST by Rytwyng ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche......"Oh, yeah? Wait 3 days!!!" -- God)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
" Some dairymen are being offered up to $550,000 an acre -"

That pegs the BS meter

As a Californian, let me assure you, these figures are realistic.

38 posted on 02/26/2006 6:44:13 PM PST by Rytwyng ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche......"Oh, yeah? Wait 3 days!!!" -- God)
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To: Lil'freeper

ping


39 posted on 02/26/2006 6:45:22 PM PST by Rytwyng ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche......"Oh, yeah? Wait 3 days!!!" -- God)
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To: Rytwyng; NormsRevenge
There's a shortage of REAL MILK, and the fewer family dairies there are, the harder it will be to get in the future.

Raw milk strikes again

Douglas Powell
Commentary from the Food Safety Network
December 16, 2005

Excerpt

In May, 1943, Edsel Bryant Ford, son of auto dictator Henry Ford, died at the age of 49 in Detroit, of what some claimed was a broken heart.

Biology, however, decreed that Ford died of undulant fever, apparently brought on by drinking unpasteurized milk from the Ford dairy herd, at the behest of his father's mistaken belief that all things natural must be good. As of this morning, seven children have been stricken with E. coli O157:H7 in Woodland, Washington, and four of them remain in serious condition in hospital.

The health department says all of the cases are connected to drinking unpasteurized milk from Dee Creek Farm near Woodland. Washington agriculture officials say dairy producers are required to be licensed and inspected monthly, but Dee Creek has never been licensed.

Dr. Justin Denny, Clark County health officer was quoted as saying, "The risks far outweigh" the taste. The Pima County Health Department in Arizona was cited as reporting Wednesday that it had received confirmation of salmonella contamination in nonpasteurized, raw milk produced by Colorado City's Meadowayne Dairy.

The milk was sold at several natural- and health-food stores in the Tucson area. And that's just this week.

Earlier this year, four people including two children in Barrie, Ontario were hospitalized with bloody diarrhea and severe abdominal cramps caused by E. coli O157:H7 after drinking raw milk purchased from the back of a vehicle in the south end of Barrie.

While most people recover from E.coli O157:H7, 5-10 per cent of cases go on to develop hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) which is characterized by kidney failure. It's not fun.

Regardless, raw, unpasteurized milk has been gaining in popularity as part of the growing organic and natural foods movement. Proponents say raw milk is healthier and better tasting than pasteurized, milk.

The glowing media coverage of all things natural abounds. The Associated Press gushed on Nov. 25, 2005, that "Kelsey Kozack's kitchen is a dairy wonderland. Fresh cheeses, yogurt and quarts of fresh raw milk abound, all compliments of Iris, a gentle tan cow who grazes on the family's seven-acre property." Kelsey was quoted as saying, "After you've been drinking raw milk for a while, you can't drink store-bought again. It has a lot more flavor and is healthier."

Tell that to the kids in hospital with a potentially fatal illness.

Washington state health officials note that there was an E. coli outbreak last year involving three people in Whatcom County tied to illegal raw milk, and in 2003, three people in Yakima County and eight in Skagit County became ill from tainted milk.

Earlier this year the New York State health department warned against consumption of some imported Mexican cheeses made from unpasteurized milk after identifying 35 cases from 2001 to 2004, including one infant death in 2004, attributed to Mycobacterium bovis, a form of TB found in cattle.

And in 2004, an Edmonton-area cheese producer abandoned the business after a Gouda cheese made from unpasteurized milk led to 11 cases of E.coli O157:H7 poisoning, including a two-year-old girl who developed HUS from the infection.

There are too many other such cases to mention.

Under federal law in Canada it is illegal to sell or distribute raw milk because of the risk of transmitting disease from microorganisms like E. coli, salmonella and campylobacter, which are eliminated during the process of pasteurization. And in Ontario, if you’re caught selling, or even giving away raw milk, the fine can be as much as $5,000.

In the U.S., unpasteurized milk is legally allowed for sale in 28 states. In Washington state, the farm must be licensed through the state and each bottle must have a warning label.

With proper testing, it may be possible to offer a safe, unpasteurized product to the consuming public. But the onus is on producers to show the rest of us that data. Adults, do whatever you think works, but please, don't impose your dietary regimes on your kids. Flowery words don't do much for kids in the hospital.


40 posted on 02/26/2006 8:32:37 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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