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Fred Barnes: Losing Friends and Influence (President Bush misjudges immigration and the ports issue)
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 6, 2006 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 02/25/2006 2:30:07 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: CBart95

So, he's killing us, but we have to support him because the alternative is worse?


101 posted on 02/26/2006 4:09:35 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: CBart95
Post 23 - Bush is finished.

Post 99 - Because our own Bush Haters are only out to destroy our government..... We got to stick with this administration and demand real fixes and complete programs for all of these problems. This is no time to cut and run.

Huh?

102 posted on 02/26/2006 4:50:47 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

The essence of epic tragedy is the inescapable truth.

Try it for yourself.

It is summed up by a fittingly ironic old Arab saying: I would rather deal with a fool that I know than a fool that I don't know.


103 posted on 02/26/2006 5:51:45 PM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95
HI, well, the good is that I have been trained :). I have a friend a work so super-conservative it makes look like centrist almost a a lefty :), we sort of agree on the bottom line but never if how to get there.

By points I meant the fact that politician are trying to get our vote all the time. It happens with my local politicians. They try to score points with me. They try to impress me with all the things they have done or plan to do so that I will vote of them. That is what I mean.

About the Katrina point... that is when you reminded me of my friend - the master of detail, he knows everything - 3 days prior to the weekend when the army finally went in in force with all the helicopters picking up people.. he was convinced Bush had nothing to do with it...again details and more details... this was a state problem and the president did not to...etc etc etc. I told him, Bush better show his a** there, somehow and quickly or he will pay the price....because regardless of the details and technicalities, he by virtue of being the president, HAS A RESPONSABILITY to have done something in helping out those in Katrina, as he finally did. I was of course delighted when I saw the army in all its splendor doing a fantastic job helping those people over there... still, look at all the flack that Bush from that one. See, I am convinced we have entered into a new era of politics. I think it's because of the Internet mainly, that people can get together, organize themselves, just like we do here, apply more pressure where is needed, etc, etc. The "new media" as is called pay attention to what we say on boards like this.. after all we are the regular Joes, who can give them a feel for what is goin on. But one you are right, I am not one knows about rules, regulations, laws, etc... but one thing I know, I know politicians and what they are about :)

Take care.

104 posted on 02/26/2006 5:55:23 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget that we are still friends despite our differences!)
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To: Borax Queen

As frightening and as depressing as this awful reality is, it will better to deal with the flawed administration we are saddled with, than the hopeless bunch of hate-mongering traitors who want to destroy us and our way of life.

It's a Hobson's choice.

The Frying pan. Or the fire.


105 posted on 02/26/2006 5:59:08 PM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95
Example: Your idea that the Feds should have just started bailing water. It was'nt set up that way. It just was'nt. By the laws that ruled at the time, they could not do that. Local and State were supposed to.

Oh and another thing... And another concession! my English is poor and besides I write fast and miss words..sorry.

Again on Katrina... the example was meant to show that when one has, for instance, a flooded basement, one should close the source of the water first, before you start the get the water out... I did not mean that the "Federal Government" should go and push their way into "matters a state," etc, etc, etc.... :), I know that much about the government... sorry

106 posted on 02/26/2006 6:06:07 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget that we are still friends despite our differences!)
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To: CBart95

To me it is obvious that we are offered a choice of fools, but I refuse them all, I resist.

Should there be a contest for the fate of our nation, I will join. Should there not, I will move on to somewhere else. The difference between America and the third world grows narrower all the time. If I must be ruled by idiots, I will at least choose my own idiot. One perhaps, upon whom I may have some small influence.


107 posted on 02/26/2006 6:08:48 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: CBart95

Fire is the choice of the young and the strong.

The strongest steel is forged in the hottest of fires.


108 posted on 02/26/2006 6:10:44 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

To be led down the ramp to the slaughterhouse by the one you trusted seems to me the worst of fates.

Bush is, at best, the slower walk.


109 posted on 02/26/2006 6:13:59 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: ElPatriota

Your thoughtful reply is much appreciated. It makes a lot of sense.

Sorry,I tend to preach at people. It's an old bad habit.
I mean well. Being a big brother is not always easy.

What you say about the internet is probably true. There is a place for regular citizens here...not everybody has a Phd these days... and we are not blind to the silly games politicians are playing. We need our feelings heard and responded to.

Bush is our guy, for some time to come. We need to work with this administration to get the best for our country. (As bad as things are, imagine for one second how bad it all would be if Kerry or Gore were in office today)....Ay Caramba!


110 posted on 02/26/2006 6:17:12 PM PST by CBart95
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To: nickcarraway

" ..., but only person has the bully pulpit and chooses not to use. I have never understood why this administration is so adamant that the media should be the ones to lead the countries thoughts on every issue..... He never wants to present the facts that would portray his decisions in a good light. It's almost masochistic...."

Exactly. The absence of any semblance of a White House war room and the " Mr Rodgers, Be Happy, When In Doubt Trot Out Bill Clinton " quality to their always belated responses is inexcusable .


111 posted on 02/26/2006 6:18:53 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Whew!

I almost felt like young David Carradine!

I expected you call me Grasshopper.


112 posted on 02/26/2006 6:20:41 PM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95
No offense taken, you did not offend me in any way! :)

I wished we could all argued, and even get a little huffy, why not? But without trying offending or calling each other names. :)

Take care

113 posted on 02/26/2006 6:25:25 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget that we are still friends despite our differences!)
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To: CBart95
No offense taken, you did not offend me in any way! :)

I wished we could all argued, and even get a little huffy, why not? But without trying offending or calling each other names. :)

Take care

114 posted on 02/26/2006 6:25:28 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget that we are still friends despite our differences!)
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To: CBart95

I held out my hand, but you did not grasp the pebble.

I expect more of you.


115 posted on 02/26/2006 6:30:46 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: RWR8189
One thing could revive his standing among Republicans and salvage his clout on Capitol Hill: a Republican triumph led by Bush in the midterm election this fall.

If this actually happens, it will be one of the greatest political comebacks in modern political history. Bush's political support has never been so low. His base is strongly disaffected and that is a killer in any election, but especially in low-turnout Congressional elections.

116 posted on 02/26/2006 6:32:15 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: GarySpFc
Notice, this White House offical did not say one word about helping the millions trying to immigrate legally.

True, but the PResident did that here:

"The citizenship line . . . is too long and our current limits on legal immigration are too low,"

117 posted on 02/26/2006 6:34:44 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: RWR8189
"If we had to do it again, we probably would lead with enforcement," a White House official said. In other words, soften up the immigrant-bashers with dramatically increased border security and then, and only then, seek a temporary worker program in a year or two.

shell game
n.
  1. A game, usually involving gambling, in which a person hides a small object underneath one of three nutshells, thimbles, or cups, then shuffles them about on a flat surface while spectators try to guess the final location of the object.
  2. A fraud or deception perpetrated by shifting conspicuous things to hide something else.

The Bush Administration already admits that it misunderestimated conservative opposition to an open border, and regrets only that they didn't finagle and fool us well enough. They think they should have done a shell game on us. They think we are fools, but they are the ones with the plummeting approval ratings, aren't they?

118 posted on 02/26/2006 6:51:57 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Ding!


119 posted on 02/26/2006 7:20:17 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth!")
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To: RWR8189

Well, Fred is incrementally coming around, I guess: He didn't tell his readers to "get over it" vis-a-vis Bush's plans for illegal immigration [amnesty] as he did, with arms folded over chest, a few months ago on Brit's roundtable program.

Get over it, Fred. While Bush may be the President, he is still a public servant. Did you put that in your book?


120 posted on 02/27/2006 8:45:02 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
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