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The Prophet through the eyes of Western intellectuals (Editorial opinion)
Khaleej Times ^ | 24 February 2006 | ABID ISHAQ

Posted on 02/25/2006 3:22:39 PM PST by Cornpone

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To: claudiustg

Mohammed was what he was, and his followers are what they are, TERRORISTS.


21 posted on 02/25/2006 3:55:35 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: Lurker

Instead of "piss...", let me suggest -
...Mohammed (DPUHB) which I understand to mean
Dog Piss Upon His Beard = (DPUHB).
Much better !!
By the way - how does that dog get to urinate upon his beard ??
Mistaking a bombTurban for a water hydrant perchance ??
Methinks a cartoon would be useful here !!


22 posted on 02/25/2006 3:57:15 PM PST by F.Marrion (Mohammed (DPUHB))
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To: Noachian

i am not an intellectual to the extent of the writers and those quoted in the article

but it strikes me strange....

that a man by the name of mohammed might spend three hours one night on a chance visit with gabriel

and be able to master a faith.

lets pretend you have a doctorate in brain surgery
and you spend three hours with me telling me about your profession.

i doubt i would qualify to be even an apprentice of anything,golf, wine let alone brain surgery.



this hardly compares to the christ story

let alone the host of characters, angels and supernatural feats.


heres to mohammed, piss be to him, may the great one eyed god smile upon him, the great fraud and pedophile thief he was

as i said, i am not a great intellect, just thought i would share some ideas on apprenticeshit.

IMO


23 posted on 02/25/2006 4:03:03 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Lurker
peace piss be upon him...

Some thoughts just come naturally. They are self evident. You beat everybody else (a great many I suspect) to the correction.

24 posted on 02/25/2006 4:04:36 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (From behind enemy lines)
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To: aimhigh
Dear readers, is there any man greater than this noblest of all human beings?

Yeah, there sure is and His name is Jesus. You know, the Son of God. Also a man whom is blasphemed in the ridiculous Qu'ran sent to the pedophile, terrorist Muhammed by none other than Lucifer himself.

25 posted on 02/25/2006 4:05:47 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: Cornpone
The West needs to thoroughly study the exemplary life of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to understand him as he was...

...BUT STUDY IT FROM MUHAMMAD'S OWN WORDS:

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF THEO van GOGH and the CARTOON RIOTS:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger
. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES TO BE KILLED BY UNSPECIFIED BELIEVERS:
This type of instruction throughout the Koran is the source of autonomous "radicalism".

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mat 7:1-2)


ISLAM DELENDA EST!

26 posted on 02/25/2006 4:06:24 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Cornpone
D.S Margoliouth writes in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, 1915:

"The character attributed to Muhammad in the biography of Ibn Ishaq is exceedingly unfavorable. In order to gain his ends he recoils from no expedient, and he approves of similar unscrupulousness on the part of his adherents, when exercised in his interest. He profits to the utmost from the chivalry of the Meccans, but rarely requites it with the like. He organizes assassinations and wholesale massacres. His career as tyrant of Medina is that of a robber thief, whose political economy consists in securing and dividing plunder. . .He is himself an unbridled libertine and encourages the same passions in his followers. For whatever he does he is prepared to plead the express authorization of the deity. It is, however, impossible to find any doctrine which he is not prepared to abandon in order to secure a political end. At different points in his career he abandons the unity of God and his claim to the title of Prophet.  This is a disagreeable picture for the founder of a religion, and it cannot be pleaded that it is a picture drawn by an enemy. . ."

Ibn Ishaq died in 768 C.E., one hundred and thirty years after the death of Muhammad. His work is the earliest known attempt at a biography of  the Prophet -- and it was distinctly unfavorable. He didn't rate a fatwa, a riot or a beheading, likely because he wrote close to Muhammad's death, when the gloss of the centuries of fabrications hadn't yet elevated the robber-thief-murderer to a god-like status.


27 posted on 02/25/2006 4:06:45 PM PST by browardchad
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To: Noachian

I suspect that if you asked a mushBrained Liberal academic
under what dictator they would like to live - you would get a blank stare and then a babbling torent of invective against you for asking the Q. Then a knife in the back.
Kill the messenger and disregard the message !!
Just to be stupidlySafe and hateFree.


28 posted on 02/25/2006 4:07:57 PM PST by F.Marrion (for all the Mohammed's (DPUHB) and Omar's out there)
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To: Cornpone
the famous, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, said arguing why he chose the Prophet as the leader of the leaders:

Why do I have a bad feeling that these "most influential" persons in history also included Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung?

*PBUT, too (and it ain't "peace"...

29 posted on 02/25/2006 4:08:23 PM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Cornpone
but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

...and if the Allies had lost WWII, Michael Hart would be using the same phrase to kiss Hitler's rosy red, too.

Shaw needs no introduction, nor comment.

Indian freedom icon and intellectual Annie Beasant

western intellectuals!?

His character was pure and stainless. His house, his dress, his food — they were characterized by a rare simplicity. So unpretentious was he that he would receive from his companions no special mark of reverence, nor would he accept any service from his slave which he could do for himself.

Is Dr. Weil talking about the same Muhammad(Pork be upon him) that we all know & revile?

This man REmoved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples, dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls.

Fixed you typo for you, Alphonse de La Martaine.

This author is a light weight. He forgot to mention BJ, Jimmah, GWB, Ibrahim Hooper....

30 posted on 02/25/2006 4:08:30 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: mosquewatch.com

Someone has joined me in reading the Sunnah :-)


31 posted on 02/25/2006 4:08:47 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Cornpone

A lot of people said the same crap about the cult of Lenin too, even many westererns.


32 posted on 02/25/2006 4:09:51 PM PST by Lauretij2
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

lol, The Hadiths make the Koran look like a childs book. ;)


33 posted on 02/25/2006 4:09:54 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: Cornpone

You forgot the Barf Alert.... And I just bought these shoes.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 4:12:36 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Cornpone

If Mohammed's armies had conquered Europe, the modern world would never have come into existence.


35 posted on 02/25/2006 4:13:24 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: browardchad

More likely because the Arabs considered them to be good qualities. Still do but prefer to spin it differently for Westerners.


36 posted on 02/25/2006 4:14:29 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: browardchad

Islam and rational thought are mutually exclusive terms.


37 posted on 02/25/2006 4:19:06 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Lurker

Instead of "piss...", let me suggest -
...Mohammed (DPUHB) which I understand to mean
Dog Piss Upon His Beard = (DPUHB).
Much better !!
By the way - how does that dog get to urinate upon his beard ??
Mistaking a bombTurban for a water hydrant perchance ??
THEY HATE dogs AS MUCH AS PIGS too - very UNCLEAN.
Methinks a cartoon would be useful here !!


38 posted on 02/25/2006 4:21:06 PM PST by F.Marrion (fie on all those Mohammed's (DPUHB) out there)
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To: mosquewatch.com
You left out the prior paragraph from the source:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He not only killed her for saying bad things about Mad Mo (piss be upon him), she was pregnant at the time. And all this will the blessings of Mad Mo
39 posted on 02/25/2006 4:45:14 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Done on purpose, and your very text, gives me hope people are indeed waking up to the disease Islam. EXCELLENT POST!


40 posted on 02/25/2006 4:48:56 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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