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To: HiJinx; gubamyster
Time for "Border Reality 101."

This is what most of our southern border looks like: there is no government-built fence at all. There is often just whatever is left over from some forgotten cattle fence, built privately to keep U.S. cattle from wandering freely into Mexico. For hundreds of miles there is not even a broken cattle fence, there is nothing at all.

For comparison, below the broken cattle fence photo is a sample of an inexpensive but highly effective double border fence system, with a plowed strip to reveal footprints. This type of system is very cheap and can be built with great speed.

Here is what some of San Diego County has: a wall made of rusty Viet Nam-era runway mats. The corrugations are even horizontal, (to make climbing easier?) The illegals in this photo were spotted by unexpected civilian volunteers, and jumped back over the border.

Here is what the border looks like where the runway mat wall exists. Mexico begins on the other side of the ineffective rusty wall, which actually helps the smugglers, by hiding their movements until the occasional USBP vehicle has driven out of sight.

This is how "the game" is played. Smugglers hide on the other side of the wall with their dope and/or their illegals, out of sight of the USBP. They wait for the highly visible white BP vehicle to drive over the distant hills. Lookouts with cell phones and walkie-talkies report on the current locations of the BP units. They know with certainty that "the coast is clear" for an hour or two, and the smugglers and illegals hop the fence and run into the scrub only 50 yards away. From there, they are out of sight, and they walk 1-2 miles to holding houses. Then they wait for nightfall, and are picked up and driven in vans to LA or San Diego.

Lastly, below is the Duncan Hunter 15' fence, which is already being built along a few "showplace" miles of San Diego, mainly near the ports of entry, where panderng politicians can conveniently show it off to gullible reporters. The House has approved building 700 miles of it, which would be a great start. As you can see, the rusty runway wall is seen at the left side, Mexico begins on the other side. In areas with the 15 foot fence, dope smugglers and illegals will have to cross the open sand ("the government road" as it is called) before starting to try to get over the 15 foot fence. It's extremely tough, and resists cutting. Attacking the fence would have to be done right out in the open, in full view of cameras. This type of fence, on the U.S. side of the government road, will give the USBP a barrier to patrol, instead of forcing them to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide-open frontier land, which is a fool's errand.


5 posted on 02/25/2006 11:43:01 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee; goldstategop

As for Israel, you had better stay way from their security fence. You had better not try to mess with it. Twice in the last month Israel has fired missiles at Paleostinians who approached it. Four dead


23 posted on 02/26/2006 3:16:18 AM PST by dennisw (Muhammad is a false prophet and Allah is his sock puppet)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, I have no idea where your top picture of the barb wire fence on the border was taken, mostly because it looks just like most of the border that I have seen across NM and Arizona. I wish we had the number of miles the fence looks like that or worse, it would probably amaze those who don't live near the border to know that there are miles and miles and miles just like that and worse. I really think all the Senators that are going to be asked to vote on the fence need that photo and the number of miles the fence looks like that.

That would have to be a pretty effective statement.

If there is no actual number we can find I bet those of us that live on the border could come up with a pretty close estimate. Hubby and I were just talking about it and he estimates at least 170 miles of border fence through NM is fence like that, maybe worse in some spots, but not any that is better.


39 posted on 02/28/2006 7:21:05 AM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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