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Many Hispanics finding faith in Islam
NorthJersey.com ^ | 02.26.06 | ELIZABETH LLORENTE

Posted on 02/27/2006 12:28:11 PM PST by Coleus

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To: LongElegantLegs

Tamales and tequila is enough to keep me from becoming a muslim, though the whole smite the infidel thing is an added incentive.


62 posted on 02/27/2006 1:40:46 PM PST by kenth (Phil! Phil Connors! I thought that was you!)
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To: Coleus
I'm beginning to think the time is near for people like her (hapless fools who get swept up into the cult of islam) to be helped. Societal intervention is in order so she may be de programmed from the brainwashing.
63 posted on 02/27/2006 1:47:48 PM PST by isrul
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
This stupid girl is going to ditch the religion the first time some smooth talker convinces her to open her legs.

There's no ditching Mohammed. And spreading her legs might just get her stoned.

64 posted on 02/27/2006 1:53:55 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (The only good muslim is a bad muslim)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
However, while raised with Catholic values and taught them, and being sent to CCD and Sunday school, Our house was not, in your opinion, a "Christian house." Why? Because I could play video games, and read scientific literature and was taught evolution and natural history, right along side with ID/Creationism and biblical history, and because I was not chastised for my teenage years of refusing to go to church and thinking that religion was false and BS.... no... they didn't scream at me and call me blasphemous and tell me all these evil things would happen. They offered constructive critiscm and backed off.

Boy are you off base here. Who said anything about never playing video games, watching movies, read scientific literature, or going to public school? AFAIC those are all fine in moderation, I would however tell my kid when they are walking off the path they are putting their soul in danger, grieving the holy spirit is awful close to blaspheming it.

All I am saying is you cant be a Christian one or two days a week. Every day you need to be in the word and talking to God going to church on Sunday and tithing and living in the world the rest of the time is, to me, more dangerous a spiritual walk than being completely depraved.

Why, because IMO the story I just recited would be the AMERICAN way of doing things. Freedom.. free thought, free expression, freedom to THINK and ANALYSZ and work through your own thought process

This is why I am a Christan before I'm an American (though the two things are seldom if ever in conflict). God has risen and destroyed great nations just to prove his glory and power.

I don't think running a convent in your home to children who cannot possible fully comprehend the power of our lord and what it means to be christian is any better then Musloms doing it.

Response A: Nor does running a brothel in your home prepare your children to be discerning adults... (Hey if you can blow my position to the extreme yours is fair game)

Response B: I have a duty to teach my kids the truth and if they don't take it they will still get their butts in the seat to hear it. I will not allow filth in my home, I will not allow banality to overtake substance, and I will love my kids no matter what they do. As for the 'kids cant understand' thats utter BS:

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

If you don't live a Christian life as an earthly father you make it harder for kids to identify with tehir heavenly father, and going to Church one day a week does not cut it..

65 posted on 02/27/2006 1:55:44 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

Thank you!


66 posted on 02/27/2006 1:59:36 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Brad's Gramma
Thank my mother, when I was going to move in with a female friend after college I literally got the 'You are on the road to hell' and it hit me like a ton of bricks... Now being a father I can appreciate the love it took to do that.

Oddly enough I have heard Spurgen had a similar experience..

67 posted on 02/27/2006 2:03:37 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
There are just as many stringent rules in Catholicism. You can not eat mean on fridays

But you can eat ugly. :)

Seriously, it's been a generation since the "no meat on Friday", rule was rescinded, or whatever the Church calls such an action.

69 posted on 02/27/2006 2:21:21 PM PST by El Gato
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a) In the case you are protestant, we are not going to come to some sort of agreement,

Wow throwing out a big net there arnt you? Maybe before you state what it is I believe that you cant agree with you might ask me what I believe! I was raised catholic and now attend a Baptist church. If you think you have a 'beat' on what all 'us Protestants' are thinking you're way off as we do not agree with each other on a good many issues.

because I can never agree with the principal that if a 5 year old shoplifts, it is because he is the devil and destined to be evil and has no chance of salvation.

I don't believe if a 5yo shoplifts he is the devil or beyond redemption. Heck, Charles Manson is no more or less deserving or redemption than I am.

This to me seems to connect to the fiercity of having a strict "Christian Household" because if someone so dear to you liek child acted out, then you would have to admit the inherent evil in someone you love so much

I think we are all, myself included, inherently evil and I ask you to find me scripture that contradicts that. Even after being redeemed I am still driven by flesh, hence the need to be before God daily. I meet with a small group of men weekly to share, pray, and support eathother because even the most Godly men fell. Even Peter himself was prone to need correction from time to time.

Yes, that biblical quote is nice, but as I said, I temper my dogma with hardcore reality (as most conservatives), and hardcore reality is that while it should be encouraged and fostered, a young child cannot appreciate the full merits and need for our Savior with so few life experience.

Lets put an age here to help: I would not let anyone under the age of 11-13 take communion, under any circumstances. I think you need to be an adult to fully appreciate the gift of salvation but that in no way excuses the father from laying the groundwork. A fathers role will not redeem the child but it is still his duty. Children can understand God and accept him far better than most adults but they do not understand their need for him.

If you honestly thing a 10 year old can fully comprehend our lord and everything in the bible

I never said they can Fully comprehend I showed you what the Bible said. We need to be as Children before God with nothing but the awe and wonder that they are so good at. having an attitude that you need to figure God out is not, imho, helpful and not laying the groundwork for your kids is even less so.

70 posted on 02/27/2006 2:27:09 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Tallguy

El Cid was a Spaniard, not Hispanic.


71 posted on 02/27/2006 2:37:51 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: Coleus

Interestingly, I never see articles about the rise of evangelical Protestantism in the Hispanic community, with glowing words about loving others and being brothers and sisters in Christ.


72 posted on 02/27/2006 2:38:11 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: Coleus

Only a complete retard would convert to Islam.


73 posted on 02/27/2006 2:38:58 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: meandog
And will there be suicide bombers wearing sombreros instead of turbins?

A turban is a sombrero, of a sort. Sombrero is just "hat" in Spanish. Besides which, the Ecuadorans don't wear anything like the typical Mexican "Sombrero". Of course neither do most Mexicans, they prefer something more like a straw cowboy hat, except on special occasions of course, or if they are in the "Musica del Norte" business.

But, yes, expect Hispanic homicide bombers. Jose Padilla is Hispanic, and was going to build a dirty bomb.

74 posted on 02/27/2006 2:42:05 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Coleus
She prays several times a day and does not wear makeup, eat pork or even utter the phrase "happy hour" – that is all haram, she said, or prohibited in Arabic.

Couldn't she just have become a rock ribbed Baptist? That would have suitably PO'd her parents, and they don't require you to blow yourself up for Jesus.

75 posted on 02/27/2006 2:44:04 PM PST by El Gato
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To: b4its2late
If anything, I would think there should be more people leaving Islam than joining it, but that's just me I guess....

No penalty or late charges for leaving other religions.

Leaving Islam carries the death penalty.

Both the Koran and Hadith are the foundations of Islam

From the Hadith:
. “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6524.

76 posted on 02/27/2006 2:44:22 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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Leaving Islam carries the death penalty.

True. Guess I forgot that little tidbit.....

77 posted on 02/27/2006 3:04:53 PM PST by b4its2late (Terrorists will either succeed in changing our way of life, or we will change theirs. - Rummy)
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To: Capt. Tom
Thanks for the info BTW.....
78 posted on 02/27/2006 3:05:32 PM PST by b4its2late (Terrorists will either succeed in changing our way of life, or we will change theirs. - Rummy)
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To: Coleus

Well. This is incredibly smart on the part of muSlums. They understand how powerful hispanics-refusing-to-call-themselves-Americans are in this country (or, at least how important they are to our misrepresentatives). This news sounds really bad to me.


79 posted on 02/27/2006 3:22:39 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: LongElegantLegs

heck theres pork lard in everything hispanic! the refried beans ther tortillas....


80 posted on 02/27/2006 8:53:11 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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