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Great Britain: Drive one of these? You're crass and irresponsible, says minister on warpath
The Times (U.K.) ^ | February 27, 2006 | Darren Webster

Posted on 02/27/2006 5:47:39 PM PST by Stoat

Drive one of these? You're crass and irresponsible, says minister on warpath


 
The minister has accused urban drivers of using 4x4s unnecessarily (Dwayne Senior/Sunday)
DRIVERS of gas-guzzling cars are to be penalised under measures being developed to tackle climate change.

Ministers are particularly keen to target the growing number of people who drive large 4X4s around cities and venture off tarmac only when parking on grass verges.

In an interview with The Times, Malcolm Wicks, the Energy Minister, said: “There is crass irresponsibility in some of the larger monstrosities people drive around suburbia and in London. We have to move against this kind of thing.”

 

 
Owners of cars with high emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, face higher taxes. Those who choose hybrid cars and vehicles powered by alternative fuels will benefit from incentives designed to accelerate the shift to “low carbon cars”.

Road transport accounts for a fifth of Britain’s CO2 emissions and is one of the few sectors in which emissions have grown in the past decade.

A record 187,000 4X4s were sold last year, up from 80,000 a decade ago. Small cars accounted for the smallest proportion of new cars since 1999.

The Government is committed to cutting CO2 emissions by 60 per cent by 2050 and believes that tough measures will be needed to persuade drivers to choose greener vehicles.

Transport fuel is a key topic in the Government’s Energy Review, which is considering long-term energy needs. Policy proposals will follow in the summer. The review is being led by Mr Wicks, who said that he was determined to clamp down on manufacturers and owners.

He said that British and European manufacturers had been too slow to develop hybrid cars, which have both a petrol or diesel engine and an electric motor, and use energy normally lost in braking to recharge their batteries.

“I’m disappointed how slow some motor manufacturers have been to follow the lead of the Japanese. Why do I use a Toyota Prius hybrid? Other things being equal, I would like to have bought a car from a British or European manufacturer.”

Mr Wicks said that the small measures the Government had adopted so far, such as offering £1,000 grants to people buying a Prius, were no longer enough.

“Given the very demanding CO2 cuts we must make, we are going to need more than just a series of marginal changes. We are going to need a step change. We will have to ask ‘is it environmentally responsible to be producing cars which are a serious part of the problem?’ There will come a time when it will be irresponsible for those to be on sale.”

Mr Wicks and Stephen Ladyman, the Transport Minister, are considering how to include road transport in the European emissions trading scheme, under which companies have to buy permits to cover any CO2 emissions above a specified level.

Mr Ladyman said: “Somewhere down the supply chain, it will have to be more expensive to supply fuels which are high in CO2.

“The thrust of any policy post-2010 has to be to make people make greener choices.”

But Mr Ladyman admitted that he had not chosen the greenest option himself. He said that he had considered a Prius “for, ooo, about a millisecond”, before opting for an Alfa Romeo GT diesel.

It produces 165 g/km, far better than petrol versions of the car but not as good as the Prius at 104 g/km.

Mr Ladyman said that all cars would become less polluting from 2010 under plans to force suppliers to produce 5 per cent of transport fuel from renewable sources, such as crops or animal fat, by 2010. “We have to look at increasing the proportion to far more than 5 per cent after 2010,” he said.

In the short term, the Government is considering raising vehicle excise duty for gas guzzlers. The Treasury is understood to favour proposals from the RAC Foundation for a new top rate of £200 to cover cars that produce more than 250g of CO2 per kilometre.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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I hate to stoop to the level of name-calling as that's the preferred modus operandi for Dems and Leftists when they don't have anything coherent to say (which is most of the time); but in this case it's hard to resist.  someone named "Mr. Ladyman" is telling me that I'm an evil and uncaring person if I drive a car that's bigger than his...it would be hilarious if it wasn't yet another nail in the coffin of freedom.

I'm wondering if "Mr. Ladyman's" opinion might be tempered somewhat if he were to ride along with firefighters and EMS crews for a few months....he would quickly notice that quite often the "winner" in an auto accident (the car and occupants receiving the least damage/injury) will be the bigger and heavier car.  Not always, of course, but often enough to suggest to most folks that the laws of physics do indeed apply.

There are a whole lot more reasons than a desire to go offroad which motivate people in their auto buying choices...among them is a desire to avoid serious injury and death as much as possible while on the highway.

1 posted on 02/27/2006 5:47:43 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

he would quickly notice that quite often the "winner" in an auto accident (the car and occupants receiving the least damage/injury) will be the bigger and heavier car.

You do realize of course that the bigger heavier car is
going to be paying the larger premium?


2 posted on 02/27/2006 5:54:55 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Stoat

4X4's are causing the World's climate to change? That's a Honda CRV pictured, not exactly a gas guzzler.


3 posted on 02/27/2006 5:57:41 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: tet68
You do realize of course that the bigger heavier car is
going to be paying the larger premium?

Yes, that's a primary point of the article:.

"Owners of cars with high emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, face higher taxes. "

4 posted on 02/27/2006 5:58:32 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: popdonnelly
4X4's are causing the World's climate to change? That's a Honda CRV pictured, not exactly a gas guzzler.

And you were expecting accuracy from a Leftist rag like the Times?  :-)

5 posted on 02/27/2006 6:01:14 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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The earth is below its optimal temperature. The best thing for the environment would be to introduce additional green house gasses. Carbon dioxide is highly beneficial. It stimulates the growth of trees; tree-huggers would approve if they were rational. CO2 benefits all plant life; it is very "green." With the stimulation of plant life, animal life would become more abundant. Endangered animal species would be saved. There would be increased speciation, more species, in both the plant and animal kingdoms. Human starvation would disappear. Do some good - drive an SUV. Too many idiots are buying hybrids and destroying the environment.
6 posted on 02/27/2006 6:03:38 PM PST by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: ChessExpert
The earth is below its optimal temperature. The best thing for the environment would be to introduce additional green house gasses. Carbon dioxide is highly beneficial. It stimulates the growth of trees; tree-huggers would approve if they were rational. CO2 benefits all plant life; it is very "green." With the stimulation of plant life, animal life would become more abundant. Endangered animal species would be saved. There would be increased speciation, more species, in both the plant and animal kingdoms. Human starvation would disappear. Do some good - drive an SUV. Too many idiots are buying hybrids and destroying the environment.

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7 posted on 02/27/2006 6:05:43 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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Oh those lovable MPs.
Sign onto Kyoto then punish the people because you didnt have a plan


8 posted on 02/27/2006 6:06:15 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Again, it is all about moneys cant say the word politician without saying taxes too. It is in their blood.


9 posted on 02/27/2006 6:08:19 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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Oh those lovable MPs.
Sign onto Kyoto then punish the people because you didnt have a plan

There are a breathtaking number of utterly braindead Lefties here in the USA who passionately embrace Kyoto in it's full absurdity and are violently angry with President Bush for not signing on to it.  Among them are many Democrat representatives......we have our own loonies who would be saying and doing the exact same things if they were in power.

10 posted on 02/27/2006 6:11:09 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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By the way just what kind of impact is 187,000 cars gonna make on the entire nations emmisions levels?


11 posted on 02/27/2006 6:11:16 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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In ten years they will be whining about disposal of the hybrids batterys polluting land fills


12 posted on 02/27/2006 6:13:14 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Americanexpat
Again, it is all about moneys cant say the word politician without saying taxes too. It is in their blood.

Agreed....in this case they are saying "We know that you want a big, comfortable, roomy and safe car, so we will embrace bad science to justify our guilt-tax that we will impose upon you for not buying a car that is more likely to kill you in an accident."

13 posted on 02/27/2006 6:14:41 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: tet68

Now you've done it! The lib's are now going to accuse those driving larger vehicles of having an "unfair advantage" in vehicle crashes and thereby owners of these larger vechicles must be penalized by being struck in the head with a sledge hammer by a trained government "Vehicle Injury Adjudicator" so to equalize the injuries for all parties involved....


14 posted on 02/27/2006 6:16:37 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: mylife
By the way just what kind of impact is 187,000 cars gonna make on the entire nations emmisions levels?

Stoats aren't known for their math skills, but my offhand guess would be "nearly zero".   :-)

15 posted on 02/27/2006 6:17:17 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

lemme see....carry the one..

Yup nearly zero!


16 posted on 02/27/2006 6:19:34 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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In ten years they will be whining about disposal of the hybrids batterys polluting land fills

It may be even sooner than that....I recall an article projecting the lifespan of those batteries at less than five years, if my memory serves.  Replacing them was pegged at many thousands of dollars.

Although one may be able to make the car work with the original batteries for ten years, after a short time the battery's efficiency decreases....which means that a progressively greater amount of gas is used.

A lousy investment with no real-world benefit.

17 posted on 02/27/2006 6:22:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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England is doomed with leadership like this.


18 posted on 02/27/2006 6:30:58 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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On top of all that Ive read the paramedics refuse to use the jaws of life on the hybrids because of fears that they will sever a 400? amp cable in the process.


19 posted on 02/27/2006 6:34:59 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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England is doomed with leadership like this.
 

My great hope is that the good, decent, hardworking Brits will soon rise up and take their country back from it's descent into the Socialist hellhole that it is sliding into.

They have been stalwart allies and dependable friends, and they deserve far better than this.

20 posted on 02/27/2006 6:35:45 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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