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Abortionists Admit Humanity of Unborn; Now Claiming Right to Feel Good About Killing
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1 March 2006 | Hilary White

Posted on 02/28/2006 3:03:58 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON, February 28, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The pro-life movement has made such gains in arguing for the humanity of the unborn, that abortionists and their apologists are finding their rhetoric is too harsh, even in traditionally supportive political circles.

The campaign slogans familiar to everyone who has read a news report on abortion: “my body my choice,” “women's choice is a human right,” are no longer resonating with the US public that is increasingly confronted with the devastating psychological and social aftermath of abortion. With even such politicians as notorious abortion campaigner Hillary Clinton trying to position herself as a moderate, the abortion industry is worried for its PR and clout.

Francis Kissling, head of the abortion industry front organization, Catholics for a Free Choice, said the movement is losing on what it used to consider its own ground. “There is a deep-seated fear (in the abortion lobby) that if you address the moral issues, you're going to lose,” Kissling said.

“But we're losing anyway. It's only by addressing the moral issues that we'll get some relief on the political questions.”

The problem is becoming so dire, that a leftist think tank, the Center for American Progress, is hosting a summit for abortionists, lobbyists and activists of all kinds to talk about how to address the situation. The meeting this Friday in Washington DC will attempt to forge a new public relations strategy.

An article in the current edition of Newsweek featured Peg Johnston, an abortionist in upstate New York who will be attending the Washington meeting. Johnston said that she eschews the euphemisms and jargon of the abortion lobby when speaking to clients. She says that her patients speak in terms of “babies” and “killing” so she uses those terms as well.

“At first I thought they were picking up the language from [anti-abortion protesters] outside. But then I started really tuning in to my patients, and I realized, 'She really feels that way'.” Johnston says.

But the shift to a warmer, more “compassionate” public image by abortionists has been developing for some time. George Tiller, the abortionist in Wichita, Kansas who specializes in killing late-term babies, features on his website photos of a macabre ‘baptism’ ceremony for the dead child which clients can have for an extra fee.

Claire Keyes told Newsweek that she plans to establish a “sanctuary space” in the abortion facility she directs in Pittsburgh and has offered ‘baptismal’ ceremonies.

Many abortion organizations, including Planned Parenthood now include a “chaplain” on the payroll whose job it is to help clients overcome their “guilt feelings” for having killed what few now deny is a human child.

Advances in sonogram technology were hailed by the pro-life movement as a great help in the argument for the humanity of the unborn, but this has not necessarily translated into moral comprehension.

Kirsten Moore, spokesman for the Reproductive Health Technologies Project says a focus group showed that women who see the pictures of their unborn child on a sonogram are as ready to kill as they ever were. “Women who are thinking about ending a pregnancy are not asking, ‘Is this a life?’ They know that it is. They are asking, ‘Can I take care of this baby?” Moore told Newsweek.

Despite the best efforts of pro-lifers the result, at least among committed abortion activists, is a further distancing from the fundamental notion that it is wrong to kill. The shift may be one that pro-lifers are not prepared for.

“We’ve really moved onto the next rung of the ladder haven’t we?” Jim Hughes, National President of Campaign Life Coalition commented to LifeSiteNews.com. “What do you do when they admit that they are killing babies and claim the right to feel good about it?”

“Abortion was bound to lead to this and the idea has finally sunk in,” Hughes said. “We have made the case for the humanity of the unborn only to convince the abortionists to claim the right to kill human beings without guilt. It’s a moral shrug. How do you argue with a shrug?”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionists; babykillers; deadbabies; euthanasia; feelgoodkillers; moloch; sick; sicksick
The great lie of the 20th century has been exposed.

The bloodlust of the abortion movement is on display for all to see!

1 posted on 02/28/2006 3:04:00 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

2 posted on 02/28/2006 3:07:22 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Aussie Dasher
"She says that her patients speak in terms of “babies” and “killing” so she uses those terms as well. “At first I thought they were picking up the language from [anti-abortion protesters] outside. But then I .... realized, 'She really feels that way'.” Johnston says.

Classic condescending lefty who couldn't give a damn about the babies she kills everyday. Only interested in making the sale to the women she sees as gullible. Just my opinion of course.

3 posted on 02/28/2006 3:07:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: BenLurkin

You're spot on the money!


4 posted on 02/28/2006 3:09:52 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Their message will be that you should feel good about paying to have your unborn baby ripped apart by a money hungary murderer.


5 posted on 02/28/2006 3:10:47 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: Aussie Dasher
Not everyone likes this touchy, feely approach to abortion. Websites like imnotsorry.net celebrate women’s guilt-free right to an abortion, declaring: “This site exists to tell women that it’s okay not to feel sad or ashamed after an abortion. You are not a baby killer. You are not irresponsible. You are not selfish. And, above all, you are not evil.” Meanwhile, Keyes plans to develop her own “heartssite.com” where women can write messages to the baby they never had. It remains to be seen if the new generation of pro-choice activists can get their message through to movement leaders.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590468/site/newsweek/

Murdering without conscience is a sociopathic disorder.
6 posted on 02/28/2006 3:13:21 PM PST by Jeremiah2911
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To: Aussie Dasher
Francis Kissling, head of the abortion industry front organization, Catholics for a Free Choice, said the movement is losing on what it used to consider its own ground. “There is a deep-seated fear (in the abortion lobby) that if you address the moral issues, you're going to lose,” Kissling said. “But we're losing anyway. It's only by addressing the moral issues that we'll get some relief on the political questions.”

Satan is always thinking, always searching for the best way to advance his agenda.
7 posted on 02/28/2006 3:16:45 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: BenLurkin

I had an ex-girlfriend who said that oftentimes abortion was in the best interests of the baby itself (i.e. if the mother is poor, it is better to be dead than raised in a poor household). The mental sickness of the pro-abort crowd is there for all to see, but so many don't see it.


8 posted on 02/28/2006 3:17:21 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Aussie Dasher

Last year I prayed regulary outside a clinic on Saturday mornings, and I noticed that many (if not most) of the women going in for abortions were perfectly aware that they were ending a life. That's most disconcerting. Before, it seems, we assumed it was mostly just young women being misinformed and making a bad choice because of that. Now it's trickled down from the abortionist to the patient, who simply doesn't place any value in human life any more than a nagging wart. In some ways, because attitudes have gotten so ugly, it's sparked a lot of the fence-sitters to come down on one side or the other. And, frankly, it looks like the trend is coming the pro-life way...


9 posted on 02/28/2006 3:18:13 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Aussie Dasher
" “We have made the case for the humanity of the unborn only to convince the abortionists to claim the right to kill human beings without guilt. It’s a moral shrug. How do you argue with a shrug?”

A moral shrug, killing without guilt.......I used to think that secularism led to a disregard for life, even to the point where it would decide "quality of life" for euthanasia......but this this detatchment for innocence is purely evil.

As a man who felt he couldn't be surprised or shocked, any more, at our moral decay, this proves me wrong. A moral shrug, watching a young life move inside a womb, then finding a way to convince that lifes source ( mother ) to kill it, all with a shrug.

I'm simply sickened .

10 posted on 02/28/2006 3:19:17 PM PST by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: Kakaze

There are many moral parallels between abortion and slavery, not the least of which is the relutance on the part of the abortophiles to acknowledge the humanity of the child they are killing.


11 posted on 02/28/2006 3:30:27 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Aussie Dasher; 4lifeandliberty; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; anniegetyourgun; ..

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

12 posted on 02/28/2006 3:45:38 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"But the shift to a warmer, more “compassionate” public image by abortionists has been developing for some time. George Tiller, the abortionist in Wichita, Kansas who specializes in killing late-term babies, features on his website photos of a macabre ‘baptism’ ceremony for the dead child which clients can have for an extra fee. "

This is deceptive because it is an incomplete description. The baptismal and remembrance service is provided for miscarriages or stillborn fetuses. In other words babies that were wanted, but which died before childbirth.
13 posted on 02/28/2006 3:49:35 PM PST by Kirkwood ("When the s*** hits the fan, there is enough for everyone.")
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"George ["Tiller the Killer"] Tiller, the abortionist in Wichita, Kansas who specializes in killing late-term babies, features on his website photos of a macabre ‘baptism’ ceremony for the dead child which clients can have for an extra fee."


Truly sick.


14 posted on 02/28/2006 3:51:11 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Aussie Dasher
“What do you do when they admit that they are killing babies and claim the right to feel good about it?”

Put a big yellow happy face on a poster of butchered baby parts with the slogans "We love what we do!" and "Your tax dollars at work!"

Harsh, yes... but NOW how can they complain about it? If they're so HAPPY about it? This just makes me sick.

15 posted on 02/28/2006 3:51:41 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Kakaze

Let's be optimistic about this. I'm sure the awareness that a baby is a human being even before birth has decreased the rate of abortion.


17 posted on 02/28/2006 3:59:13 PM PST by winner3000
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To: winner3000
I'm sure your right, that many have not aborted because they now know the truth.

What struck me so deeply to my core was the detatchment / callousness of this "vendor", because thats what she considers herself, nothing more than a service provider. That lack of moral core simply baffles me.

18 posted on 02/28/2006 4:06:43 PM PST by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: Junior_G

Scary. So does this mean that any person who is poor or any child being raised in a poor household is "better of dead"? Should will kill all poor people? Whatever happened to being rich in other ways than money?!


19 posted on 02/28/2006 4:17:05 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: jocon307

These people live in such darkness, they actually believe this "softer, gentler, SICKER' approach to abortion is gonna sell.

All it does is give more emphasis to their utter depravity.


20 posted on 02/28/2006 4:22:34 PM PST by caffe
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To: Aussie Dasher

Have you noticed that the women who howl loudest about protecting their "right" to an abortion are the least likely to need one?


21 posted on 02/28/2006 4:30:05 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Kirkwood

"This is deceptive because it is an incomplete description. The baptismal and remembrance service is provided for miscarriages or stillborn fetuses. In other words babies that were wanted, but which died before childbirth."

Not so. Tiller's clinic actually provides services for babies aborted there (they have a Unitarian minister or one of that ilk.) People do not go there for miscarriages or stillbirth. The babies were wanted until they were discovered to have some defect. Their parents can tell them, "we love you, we're really sorry, you're in a better place now, it's better for you too this way," and have a clergyperson back them up.

Mrs VS


22 posted on 02/28/2006 4:32:02 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
"But we're losing anyway. It's only by addressing the moral issues that we'll get some relief on the political questions." [Kissling said.]

The problem is becoming so dire, that a leftist think tank, the Center for American Progress, is hosting a summit for abortionists, lobbyists and activists of all kinds to talk about how to address the situation.

Bump

23 posted on 02/28/2006 4:47:14 PM PST by A. Pole (Saint Augustine: "The truth speaks from the bottom of the heart without the noise of words")
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To: Junior_G

And many more don't see the mental illness spreading to killing embryonic stem cells. It is a scientific fact that human life begins at conception. What researchers are doing with combining a somatic cell and a female ova in a petri dish is called "conception" of a human being. The mantra here is that it is for a wonderful cause to promote cures for dreadful diseases. Researchers have been working with embryonic stem cells for 20 years and still no cures for any diseases. Just like Planned Parenthood making money hand over fist from abortions, these embryonic stem cell researchers expect to make money hand over fist experimenting on tiny humans. It is all evilness from the pit of hell and that is where it will all end up.


24 posted on 02/28/2006 4:52:42 PM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Badray; smokeyb; GeneralHavoc; jim_g_goldwing
"“What do you do when they admit that they are killing babies and claim the right to feel good about it?” "

Truly sick ping. My apologies. I thought you might want to see this.
25 posted on 02/28/2006 4:58:11 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"But the shift to a warmer, more “compassionate” public image by abortionists has been developing for some time. George Tiller, the abortionist in Wichita, Kansas who specializes in killing late-term babies, features on his website photos of a macabre ‘baptism’ ceremony for the dead child which clients can have for an extra fee."

There is a special place in hell for this guy.


26 posted on 02/28/2006 5:24:30 PM PST by Evie Munchkin
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To: Aussie Dasher
She says that her patients speak in terms of “babies” and “killing” so she uses those terms as well. “At first I thought they were picking up the language from [anti-abortion protesters] outside. But then I started really tuning in to my patients, and I realized, 'She really feels that way'.” Johnston says.

Interesting admission that the abortion lobby ignores the REAL views of the people they're trying to talk into murdering their babies. Instead of considering that she's wrong, of course, the goal is to find a way to trick women into not seeing the humanity of the babies they've been murdering for decades. Lousy ghouls!

27 posted on 02/28/2006 6:40:40 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Kakaze
What struck me so deeply to my core was the detatchment / callousness of this "vendor

The thing prolifers must keep in mind is the reality that human beings can adapt to anything, including killing of the innocent. Like the guards at Nazi prison camps, who ushered thousands of men women and children into the "showers," hauled the bodies out and stacked them up like cordwood, then went home to a nice dinner with the wife and kids. Or Doctor Josef Mengele, who took kids for rides around the camp in his chauffered limo, and handed them sugar candy, before having them dropped off at the gas chamber door. Or simply numb, like paid killers of the mob--"nothing personal--it's just business."

Probably anyone could do it, if they are willing to pay the price, with their soul.

28 posted on 02/28/2006 7:22:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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29 posted on 02/28/2006 9:36:10 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

30 posted on 02/28/2006 9:55:45 PM PST by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and a MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Thanks for the ping. I think.

I'll be back later to read it.


31 posted on 02/28/2006 10:03:31 PM PST by Badray ("Senator," like "Dog Catcher" is just a job title, not a rank.)
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To: A. Pole
The problem is becoming so dire, that a leftist think tank, the Center for American Progress, is hosting a summit for abortionists, lobbyists and activists of all kinds to talk about how to address the situation.

Funded by the Islamicists no doubt. In another thread here on FR, there was an Islamicist expreessing dismay over America's recent pro-life bent, since it meant the infidels were not killing themselves off before birth...

No cheers, unfortunately.

32 posted on 02/28/2006 10:10:04 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Junior_G

I'm glad that that was an EX-girlfriend!!!


33 posted on 02/28/2006 10:20:35 PM PST by danamco
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To: Aussie Dasher

The most important and vicious victory of the pro-abortion forces is that they have convinced women that killing their babies is 'better for the child' than giving them up for adoption.


34 posted on 02/28/2006 10:48:36 PM PST by SuziQ
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It's unbelievable. I don't even think that people really believe that kids are better off dead than adopted; but they don't want to have to endure the social discomfort of having everyone know they're pregnant and aren't keeping the child. And hey-----it's legal to kill the little bugger so why not take the easy way out?


35 posted on 02/28/2006 10:54:06 PM PST by Junior_G
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Actually I've seen surveys done of young women; especially college aged women which show that they DO believe that the child is better off dead. They don't want the baby, but they don't like the idea of NOT knowing what happened to the baby, if it were adopted out.

Not wanting anyone to know they're pregnant is likely a large part of it, too, I guess they don't want to admit THAT. It's just twisted.

36 posted on 02/28/2006 11:43:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Aussie Dasher
Interesting book, any thoughts?


37 posted on 03/01/2006 4:42:43 AM PST by Idisarthur
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Kirsten Moore, spokesman for the Reproductive Health Technologies Project says a focus group showed that women who see the pictures of their unborn child on a sonogram are as ready to kill as they ever were.

Bull. I've spoken with ultrasound providers at crisis pregnancy centers, and they tell me that 80-90% of abortion-minded women decide against abortion when confronted with the image of their unborn child. This compares to 15% of abortion-minded women who decide against abortion when receiving counseling alone.

38 posted on 03/01/2006 4:56:55 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Junior_G

I'm proud of you that she is now your ex! I am always amazed that they can say straight-faced that you should kill those poor babes for their own good. Sheesh


39 posted on 03/01/2006 5:06:02 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: SuziQ
The guards at Auschwitz & Buchenwald also suffered somewhat from this dilemma... but alas... there were no funds available for counseling.

Human butchery has indeed evolved.

40 posted on 03/01/2006 5:06:34 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: Jeremiah2911
One way to help solve this is as follows:

(1) Make a first rate film of a partial birth abortion...Insure that the perfectly formed child is seen just before death....also cover the clinic financial aspects

(2) Frequently show the film on TV as well as the list of pols who voted to support and maintain this barbaric proceedure.

41 posted on 03/01/2006 5:15:13 AM PST by pop-gun
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To: Aussie Dasher
All of the arguments in favor of abortion boil down to two: fetuses are not human and utilitarianism, the view that the happiness of the mother justifies the killing of the child in that the mother is at this time more "valuable" to society.

The first is wrong medically and the abortionists are finally having to admit it.

The second is only superficially appealing. The utilitarian argument is based upon a profoundly evil philosophy, the same that justifies eugenics, forced euthanasia of the old, sick and disabled, and genocide from time immemorial, including the Holocaust. The debate is finally getting to the heart of the issue.

42 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:05 AM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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Kirsten Moore, spokesman for the Reproductive Health Technologies Project says a focus group showed that women who see the pictures of their unborn child on a sonogram are as ready to kill as they ever were. “Women who are thinking about ending a pregnancy are not asking, ‘Is this a life?’ They know that it is. They are asking, ‘Can I take care of this baby?” Moore told Newsweek.

That's a lie. Evidence at numerous Crisis Pregancy Centers proves otherwise.

43 posted on 03/01/2006 11:30:49 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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Websites like imnotsorry.net celebrate women’s guilt-free right to an abortion, declaring: “This site exists to tell women that it’s okay not to feel sad or ashamed after an abortion. You are not a baby killer. You are not irresponsible. You are not selfish. And, above all, you are not evil.” It is astonishing the pride with which some boldly serve Evil. Reminds me of the 'you shall not surely die' line spewed in the Garden ... and they died most surely, though the dying was not seen physically right away following the Spiritual death they ingested.
44 posted on 03/02/2006 2:50:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Scott Peck explored the subject in "People of the Lie." His insight is most people serving evil don't look or feel evil at all, they are ordinary people who wholeheartedly believe a lie.


45 posted on 03/02/2006 3:08:54 PM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: colorado tanker

An excellent book which I've read and cited many times ... Peck's insights help save my life more than a decade ago when going through an horrendous divorce.


46 posted on 03/02/2006 3:13:47 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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