The Cindy Circus

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[pookie18]

A READER sends me a tip that Cindy Sheehan is speaking at a local law school, so I head down there with my camera and audio recorder.

The room is packed to capacity with students, professors, and media. Cindy launches into her usual stump speech. War is bad; Bush is a terrorist; bring the troops home now; blah, blah, blah.

Then, foolishly, she takes questions.

MAN: I had a specific question with regards to the memorial you have erected in Crawford, and I believe one that you're going to be doing in Germany. You indicated that you were being supported by Gold Star... Gold Star Families, if I remember correctly. However, there were hundreds of military families that specifically requested that you remove their children's names from the memorial. However, you refused, and they actually had to come out to Crawford to remove them. When you erect memorials in the future, do you plan on using any names, or only names from the families that you have... CINDY SHEEHAN: OK...

MAN: ...received support from.

CINDY SHEEHAN: My organization is Gold Star Families for Peace, and... and your facts aren't correct. We had a few people request that their children’s' names be removed, and if they requested, we removed their names. And.... a memorial in Germany, I don't really... understand what you're talking about.

MAN: You... indicated... I believe it's the family of Derek Lee, which indicated... the mother emailed you specifically, or contacted you specifically, and asked you to remove it, and you told her to come to Crawford.

CINDY SHEEHAN: No, I did not!

MAN: Are you saying that she, in fact, is not telling the truth?

CINDY SHEEHAN: I didn't hear from any mother in Crawford. Number one, I didn't check any email while I was in Crawford. Maybe, somebody who was checking my email, you know, wrote back, but I didn't check my email in Crawford. And I would never, ever, ever go against the wishes of another Gold Star Mother. Ever.

DEBORAH JOHNS: Cindy, my name is Deborah Johns.

CINDY SHEEHAN: Oh. Hi, Deborah, I don't speak for you!

DEBORAH JOHNS: No, you don't.

(laughter)

WOMAN: Aw, crap.

DEBORAH JOHNS: And this gentleman is absolutely correct, because it's Debbie Argel. The Williams... I have over 1200 families that have sent you requests...

CINDY SHEEHAN: Sent me requests? I'm not in charge of those memorials.

DEBORAH JOHNS: ...California, spoke with you personally, on the telephone, and demanded that you stop using her son's name. So did Joe Williams...

CINDY SHEEHAN: I'm not using anybody's son's name.

DEBORAH JOHNS: You have used their names in Crawford, Texas, Cindy. I was there. And I removed their sons' names. And the sheriff down there took the list of the names from me, because he said in the middle of the night, you and your people go back up and put the names back up...

CINDY SHEEHAN: You're...

DEBORAH JOHNS: Cindy, you have used their names in the newspaper.

CINDY SHEEHAN: You know what... Deborah, that's not the truth.

DEBORAH JOHNS: You have used their names in the newspaper...

CINDY SHEEHAN: No, I haven't used anybody's name in the newspaper.

DEBORAH JOHNS: USA Today, Cindy...

(applause)

CINDY SHEEHAN: What... what newspaper have I used their names in?

DEBORAH JOHNS: USA Today, Cindy, when you took out ads across the United States...

(crosstalk)

CINDY SHEEHAN: ...I can't take that. I'm not the only person who does this stuff...

DEBORAH JOHNS: ...and you know what, you don't speak for me, and you don't speak for the majority...

CINDY SHEEHAN: I never said I spoke for you, Deborah.

(applause)

CINDY SHEEHAN: I never said I spoke for you. When did I say I spoke for you, Deborah?

DEBORAH JOHNS: Anderson Cooper...

CINDY SHEEHAN: I need to... I need to answer this.

DEBORAH JOHNS: Cindy, Anderson Cooper, when you did an interview, a radio taped interview with Anderson Cooper, when you were in Crawford, Texas, Cindy. You specifically said you were there to ask the questions for "all of America." And you don't speak for me, Cindy, or for the majority of Americans.

(applause, crosstalk)

CINDY SHEEHAN: I need to answer... I need to answer this.

DEBORAH JOHNS: Cindy, you also, you also...

CINDY SHEEHAN: You talked, can I talk now?

DEBORAH JOHNS: I am not finished. You have also made the statement, that our military men and women who don the uniform and carry the weapon are the "ultimate terrorists and murderers..."

CINDY SHEEHAN: Oh my God! I have never said that!

DEBORAH JOHNS: Yes, you did!

CINDY SHEEHAN: Let me answer what you're saying.

DEBORAH JOHNS: ...time and time again...

CINDY SHEEHAN: Let me answer what you're saying.

(grumbling and applause)

WOMAN: Sit down!

MARJORIE COHN: OK, you've made your point, Deborah, and now Cindy's going to respond.

CINDY SHEEHAN: I've never called our military people "terrorists."

DEBORAH JOHNS: Yes, you did...

CINDY SHEEHAN: I have not! And you let me talk!

(applause)

CINDY SHEEHAN: I never called them "terrorists." My son was in the Army. I love the troops. I support the troops. Their government doesn't support them. They send them over there with defective body armor. They send them over there without the proper training. They send them over there to a mission that makes no sense. Their own... and then when they get back, their own government cuts back the VA funding. Our own government doesn't support them. This is a wrong war. The only way to support them is to get them out of Iraq...

(applause)

CINDY SHEEHAN: And I would never, ever say that. Whenever I talk about the troops, I say that they are doing the best they can over there under terrible circumstances. Do you know who I call a terrorist? George Bush!

(applause)

CINDY SHEEHAN: And do you know what? I expect everybody in here to speak for themselves, no matter if their opinions are misinformed, like Deborah's.

(laughter)

CINDY SHEEHAN: We all need to speak for ourselves. And you know what? I am not in charge of any memorials in this country. The Veterans for Peace do memorials, the American Friends Service Committee do memorials. And I would never, ever, tell another Gold Star Mom what to think, how to feel, or how to honor her child's memory.

Follow the links (click on main link) to find out who is telling the truth, and who is "misinformed."

[TheSpottedOwl]

When is Shindy gonna learn not to take questions from the audience? Awesome smackdown ;-)

[mylife]

Go Deborah Johns!

[Darkwolf377]

I wish this woman had the actual clippings on her, but she did a good job.

I still feel sorry for Cindy--yes, flame away--because it would be hellish to lose a son. But the poor thing is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[Doctor Raoul]

Cindy Sheehan is a lying sack of crap. She did tell the other Gold Star Mothers what they should think and that she was losing respect for them.

[aShepard]

Sounds like Cindy had the last spout!
I can't say that the media allowed her to lose this confrontation; she got the last word.

[Albion Wilde]

Deborah Johns tells off Cindy Sheehan at her recent appearance PING!

[SoCalPol]

This was in San Diego and the blog is from the head of
the San Diego Protest Warriors.

Move America Forward and some of us San Diego Freepers
are having a large SUPPORT THE TROOPS RALLY
3 March in Balboa Park in San Diego 4:00 - 6:30 PM
We will be gathering at the corner of Presidents Way and Park Blvd across from the Veterans Memorial Center Museum.

[mylife]

As I recall, back when Deborah was in crawford and about to head to Cindys camp with marshals in tow to have the 1200 crosses and names removed, DUmmie infiltraitors at our rally cellphoned Cindys camp and the turds took the crosses down prior to their arrival.

That night they put them back up

[speed_addiction]

I rode my motorcycle out to Crawford in August to take down the cross that she had up for my cousin Marine Lance Corporal Elias Torres. I also had the blessing of the father of my good friend, Marine Sergeant Timothy Shane Folmar to take down his cross if it was out there.

I found my cousin's marker and pulled it out myself. Even threatened to wrap it around some idiot's head who was thinking it was a good idea to complain. If there was a cross with Shane Folmar's name out there, I did not see it.

I don't know if another marker with my cousin's name was put up again after I left, but I did make it clear to them that if I stopped by and there was was one, it was going to be a day they were going to remember for the rest of their lives as one of their most unpleasnt.


What We Are About To Do Here Is What The Good Lord Would Call A Cleansing of the Wicked. I Call It A Good Old Fashioned Texas Ass Kicking.

[tgslTakoma]

Audio here.

God Bless Deborah Johns!

[Cecily]

She's like the nervous Martin Short character getting grilled on "60 Minutes:" "I never said that!" "You said that!" "Why would you think I said that?"


Kudos to everyone who shows up to confront this hideous, anti-American creep and all the moonbats in her orbit.

[A CA Guy]

I think she had a nervous breakdown and this protest thing is the first thing to make her more than 5k a year in 15 years, so she is working it.

I have no sympathy for her, her own son is being spat on by her words, the son didn't agree with her either.

[Lizavetta]

"Bush lied, troops died, eggs are fried, I wash with Tide, zzzzzzzzzzzz....."

[TheSarce]

Deborah Johns/Crawford Rally ping! Wish I'd met the lady, she is awesome. Wouldn't have believed it possible, but Cindy just gets MORE pathetic every day.

[bmwcyle]

Cindy was picked by the left but they only found an idiot to speak for them.

[mylife]

Thanks for the audio smackdown

[Doctor Raoul]

When Cindy Lies, Casey Cries

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46010

Sheehan: Other moms of slain 'brainwashed'
Cindy labels them supporters of 'murder and mayhem

After calling the terrorists in Iraq who killed her son "freedom fighters," anti-Bush activist Cindy Sheehan now says other mothers of those slain in the conflict whose views oppose her own are "brainwashed."

"I have been silent on the Gold Star Moms who still support [President Bush] and his war by saying that they deserve the right to their opinions because they are in as much pain as I am. I would challenge them, though, at this point to start thinking for themselves," Sheehan said. "How can these moms who still support George Bush and his insane war in Iraq want more innocent blood shed just because their sons or daughters have been killed? I don't understand it," Sheehan stated. "I am starting to lose a little compassion for them. I know they have been as brainwashed as the rest of America, but they know the pain and heartache and they should not wish it on another. However, I still feel their pain so acutely and pray for these 'continue the murder and mayhem' moms to see the light."

[billhilly]

"I still feel sorry for Cindy--yes, flame away--because it would be hellish to lose a son. But the poor thing is not the sharpest knife in the drawer."

You might say she is the sharpest bulb in the knife drawer.

[Doctor Raoul]

Cindy Lied. She has told other Gold Star Moms what they should think and she slandered them as supporters of murderer.

[mylife]

Its amazing how the lefties all can believe that supporters of the war support the slaughter of innocents.

And they are the ones that claim we see the world in black and white while only they have understanding of the nuances of life, and can understand the grey areas

[Doctor Raoul]

I asked Mr. Quals how many crosses were removed by family, or by friends at the request of family and brought into Fort Quals in downtown Crawford and the answer was approximately 75.

Where was the media coverage? Cindy and her friends were rejected by a wide margin of Gold Star Families, yet no mention of the overwhelming magnitude.

[Doctor Raoul]

CINDY LIES, CASEY CRIES
CINDY CIRCUS CINDY: And I would never, ever, tell another Gold Star Mom what to think, how to feel, or how to honor her child's memory.

CINDY FROM CINDY'S BLOG: "I have been silent on the Gold Star Moms who still support [President Bush] and his war by saying that they deserve the right to their opinions because they are in as much pain as I am. I would challenge them, though, at this point to start thinking for themselves," Sheehan said. "How can these moms who still support George Bush and his insane war in Iraq want more innocent blood shed just because their sons or daughters have been killed? I don't understand it," Sheehan stated. "I am starting to lose a little compassion for them. I know they have been as brainwashed as the rest of America, but they know the pain and heartache and they should not wish it on another. However, I still feel their pain so acutely and pray for these 'continue the murder and mayhem' moms to see the light."

[Doctor Raoul]

Note that Cindy won't respect their right to their own opinion and that the answer must be that they are people who want murder and mayhem, even after the loss of a child.

It's all too common on the left and it's called "projection".

[speed_addiction]

Where was the media coverage?

It did not fit in what they wanted portrayed. I tell you this, if I had kicked off in someone's ass out there, it would have gotten plenty of news coverage and all of it would have been smearing Conservatives.


What We Are About To Do Here Is What The Good Lord Would Call A Cleansing of the Wicked. I Call It A Good Old Fashioned Texas Ass Kicking.

[Chesterbelloc]

One of Cindy's major problems is she will lie without any qualms. You can take nothing she says at face value because she has no problem making up a lie on the spot to try to get out of unpleasent situations she has got herself into.

[Doctor Raoul]

Note that Cindy and friends assume they have a right to use the names of the dead unless notified otherwise.

She's clueless that she should seek permission first, not the other way around.

[NonLinear]

I hear you Speed! I don't think "one of" their most unpleasant quite captures it. "The most" is more like it.

[TheSpottedOwl]

It's important to remember that Shindy gives our enemies aid and comfort. She is Mother Moonbat, and maybe just as well ignored, but otoh, it is so good to see someone shake her cage :-D

[nopardons]

bttt

[Doctor Raoul]

One of Cindy's major problems is she will lie without any qualms. You can take nothing she says at face value because she has no problem making up a lie on the spot to try to get out of unpleasent situations she has got herself into.

Cindy called the Vacaville reporter who did the interview with her after she met with President Bush a liar when she was caught lying.

Likewise she called others liars when her statement in support of Lynne Stewart was published.

Everybody other than Cindy lies, everybody other than Cindy is wrong, everybody other than Cindy is mistaken.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Good for you! Using people's family members to further a sick agenda is just revolting.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Lol! I hope if she goes to Germany, our government will revoke her passport.

[pillut48]

Thank you for posting the audiotape!

Cindy sure was sounding drugged up or something, almost talking like Forrest Gump, what was that about? Usually she talks like a teenaged Valley Girl.

I agree, God bless Deborah for confronting Cindy with her documented lies. Mother Sheehan is having a hard time keeping up with them all, obviously.

[speed_addiction]

I hear you Speed! I don't think "one of" their most unpleasant quite captures it. "The most" is more like it.

I am still on parole (will finally be done with it on May 11 of this year), but these people fail to realize, there ARE some principles I will risk prison for, just like there are principles I went to war for.


What We Are About To Do Here Is What The Good Lord Would Call A Cleansing of the Wicked. I Call It A Good Old Fashioned Texas Ass Kicking.

[SoCalPol]

Cindy loon didn't even raise her son. Her x and his wife did.

also, her mentor is the atty for the terrorist who
hit the World Trade Center 1993

Check out David Horowitz's site Front Page Magazine.
Loads of stuff on her far left connections.

[Landry Fan]

Does Cindy trust Tide to wash her t-shirts?

[pepsionice]

You are correct about the nervous breakdown...and I doubt seriously that any treatment has been accomplished since day one. If she is treated...she'd have to check into a facility for at least 30 days...and they simply won't allow that to happen...plus she'd likely regain her mental sanity and halt the whole episode. She now belongs to the "cult"...no other word fits except that.

She comes to Ramstein Germany in 10 days. She was to camp out at the entrance of the gate to Landstuhl hospital...where all the GI's are brought into. Yesterday...rumors can out that her "cult" decided that it might be bad to do this in front of wounded GI's. So she is aiming for conference in the city of Landstuhl...and a march to Ramstein's gate. What currently surprises people is not only the amount of negative sentiment amongst the American community here...but even Germans are beginning to show that they really don't want her to be there.

[LeoWindhorse]

I personally know a woman ,whose husband was killed in Iraq, that asked Cindy and 'those people' NOT to use her husbands name and they refused to remove it. She could not go to Crawford and they are probably still using this name in their
protests . It ain't right....

[PioneerDrive]

Meanwhile, other parents of those who have died in uniform fighting terrorism have been speaking out in commercials here in MN.

http://www.midwestheroes.com/

[Lancey Howard]

Sheesh. Haven't heard anything about this one for awhile.
I thought her fifteen minutes was over months ago.

[Cecily]

Landstuhl is a nice little town. My brother and his family lived there for three years when he was in the Air Force. They were in a neighborhood at the top of a hill, just down the road from the old castle (Burg Nanstein).

Well, here comes Crazy Cindy to stink up the place. Sorry, Germans.

[Syncro]

Deborah Johns is indeed an awesome woman. A great speaker and she confronted Sheehan greatly in this report!

(That's her on the right in Albuquerque...)

Sheehan is stretching her 15 mins into oblivion with her lying hateful rhetoric. She teamed up with Jane Fonda a week ago in Marin County.

Thanks for notifying me of this thread Sarce.

[Tunehead54]

I'm so happy to hear of a CURRENT Support the Troops Rally. I have some great pics of some rallies - from 2003. I've been asked to send them along and did for a while but now it would seem dishonest.

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Wish the "leaders" would recognize that there is a void that a majority of Americans would fill - every death hurts but we believe in them and their mission. Please ping me when you have pics of your rally. Thanks.

TH54
Formerly of Point Loma, Orchard Avenue, PB, OB, Balboa Park, the zoo, etc. SNIFF!

[SoCalPol]

Thanks for your comments.
For the past year several of us San Diego freepers and the
Protest Warriors have done a number of counter code pinko
rallys At Balboa Park near the Navy Hospital.
We have another big one besides the one Fri.

[Tunehead54]

We were in WDC over Christmas and were privileged to wave flags with a very dedicated group outside Walter Reed with code pink on the other side. Lucky for them I was with my family and no baseball bat was handy. ;-(

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I respect their right to protest but to say they support our best and bravest is sickening. The only wounded vets I saw (and met) were on our side of the street. Keep up the good work! Nite. (Clearwater, FL area now but we do still miss SD.

[Just A Nobody]

Thanks for the pings.

Go Deborah!

[Just A Nobody]

Hope you have a great turnout!

[Just A Nobody]

our government will revoke her passport

LOL! Riiiiight.

[SR 50]

ping