[mysterio]

It's a lost cause trying to convince you kool-aid drinkers that removing probable cause is a bad thing. Good night.

[Southack]

"It's a lost cause trying to convince you kool-aid drinkers that removing probable cause is a bad thing. Good night."

Actually, it speaks poorly of *you* that you would resort to personal attacks (see above quote) when facts destroy your argument.

As noted above, you got it backwards. You claimed that we were smart for giving President Clinton his 1995 extra powers, but dumb for tearing down the Gorelick Wall with the modern Patriot Act.

The facts, therefore, show you to be on the losing side of any reasoned debate. That's something that you'll have to live with.