Virginia County secretly removes Confederate flag from official seal

The Daily Press, Hampton Roads, VA ^ | March 2, 2006 | Associated Press

[Rebeleye]

The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.

[Admin Moderator]

Let's try to keep it relatively peaceful this evening, okay?

[HostileTerritory]

I can totally believe it. The whole country has come a long way since the 1960s, and indeed, the north has plenty of racism.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Since I cut my teeth on Slaver propaganda I need no "lessons" from you about its delusions. I lived my first 18 years believing the nonsense of the Lost Cause having inherited the madness. Now it is clear the enormous damage the Slavers did to the entire region as well as the Union. The blood of millions is on their hands and souls. God meted out his justice through Abraham Lincoln and the world it a MUCH better place because of him. He towers above ALL statesmen of the 19th century and above all our presidents except Washington.

Washington warned of the treacherous men who would spread the gospel of disunion in his Farewell Address so there is no doubt he would have fought these traitors to the last breathe as would have Andrew Jackson. It is only too bad Jackson did not get to make good his threat to hang the leadership of the Nullifiers in the 1830s.

Had our nation succumbed to the Traitors leading the RAT Rebellion Germany would have not been defeated in WWI or if it had been forced to accept a draw would have come out of the war the strongest military power on earth. North America would be the home of a reactionary slave power and a medium power industrial one.

Crackpot history will not get you very far in understanding reality.

[swmobuffalo]

" Crackpot history will not get you very far in understanding reality"

You should take your own illbegotten advice.

[RFEngineer]

"Yup. Much of Virginia is rural, undeveloped and poor. It's numbers look better because of a few very wealthy counties around DC. But go a little bit south, and you're basically in Mississippi. "

Uh, no. I've been everywhere in Virginia. I've also been to Mississippi. Some places in Virginia are poorer than others, but Mississippi? I have to vigorously disagree with you there. Maybe at one time, yes, but not for the past 30 years.......

[justshutupandtakeit]

Why do you support the terrorists of 1861 who attacked the US if you are so opposed to them today? Jeff Davis was a greater threat to the United States than Osama despite his incompetence.

In 1861 the United States of America was the Light of the World and the envy of all right thinking people across the globe. Yet you support the Empire of the Whip and Lash with an ideology 180 degrees to the contrary of that of the Land of Liberty. And falsely believe that belief is supported by the Crackpot History laughed at among intelligent people.

I stand with Lincoln and Liberty but you are welcome to join Jeff and the Slaver clowns on the Ashheap of History among the other fallen fighters for Tyranny.

[NCLaw441]

You said: My people won ~ those people lost. It's time for them to get over it.
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I don't think anyone is threatening to re-fight the Civil War. Rather, they are attempting to preserve a bit of history. The manner in which this county made the change is an abomination to the democratic process, and it would be no matter what action is taken. These politicians should at least have had the courage of their convictions. I don't really care that much how the issue was resolved, but the process really stunk.

[Zeroisanumber]

Had it not been for the North and oppressive "Reconstruction", the South would be a far different and better place today.

I often wonder how much better things would have turned out if President Lincoln had lived to oversee reconstruction and the reintegration of the South into the Union.

[swmobuffalo]

Terrorists who attacked the United States? Whose revising history now? The split between the North and the South was over far more than just slavery which didn't become an issue until TWO YEARS into the conflict. Obviously you've watched way too many showings of Mandingo to have an intelligent thought regarding the War of Northern Aggression.

[muawiyah]

Look, they waited doggone near a century to put that symbol in there ~ apparantly they changed their mind about the outcome of the war. That's why it's sometimes necessary to remind folks.

[muawiyah]

Slavery was the issue. South Carolina started it. Anything else is historic revisionism.

[justshutupandtakeit]

There was one reason the Slavers attacked the US and that was to preserve their Empire of the Whip and the Lash. There was NO other reason for their attack.

Any other claim is sheer ridiculousness. Lincoln did not fight the war to free the slaves but simply to preserve the Union. Freeing the slaves became a tactical and strategic policy to further the war aims. They were freeing themselves in any case whenever the Union armies appeared. Slaves were overjoyed with the prospect of Freedom like all Americans except those fighting to preserve their bondage.

American installations were attacked by the Slavers whose entire existence was based upon Terror. There was no other means of keeping the Blacks enslaved except through terroristic means: murder, beatings, ripping families apart. Thus they were clearly terrorists.

You probably thought they just loved "Ole Massa" so much they couldn't even think of leaving since your historical understanding is approximately at the level of Gone With the Wind.

[swmobuffalo]

Crap.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Those who refuse to accept these truths are either: brainless or outright liars. There is no other alternative since even the Slaver Traitors clearly stated the reasons.

All this revisionist crap concocting other reasons is transparently false to anyone with even a slight knowledge of history.

[stainlessbanner]

Dixieping

[JamesP81]

Naw, time for the rest of Virginia to rejoin the Union and come to grips with the 21st Century.

This attitude is what cost John Kerry the '04 election. He didn't win one single solitary southern state.

[JamesP81]

Had it not been for the North and oppressive "Reconstruction", the South would be a far different and better place today.

It occurs to me that the end of the Civil War was the beginning of Big Government as we now know it. Before The War Between the States, we always referred to ourselves as 'these United States', reflecting the Founding Fathers' belief that the US was a collection of semi-independent states that had a single federal government to manage foreign affairs and defense.

However, Lincoln opened the door to Big Government interference. Everyone says Lincoln was a great president, but I think he helped usher in 150 years of Big Government abuse with his actions during the Civil War. In my mind he was a good president at the time, but his legacy is one of near-total disaster that we have yet to recover from.

To be blunt, the South's ideas about states rights (which is what the war was really fought over, that and economic reasons) were dead-on correct and inline with what the Founders believed. The South may have lost the war, but everybody lost the peace. It just took us 100 years to realize it.

[JamesP81]

Because this county has undone the work of racists RATS it will be attacked by the Defenders of Slaverocracy.

No, you'll be attacked for holding the same opinion of the South and its heritage that the dems and MSM hold. And rightly so, since the South is one of the last places in this country where common sense is still common.

[swmobuffalo]

"To be blunt, the South's ideas about states rights (which is what the war was really fought over, that and economic reasons) were dead-on correct and inline with what the Founders believed. The South may have lost the war, but everybody lost the peace. It just took us 100 years to realize it."

Yep, your analyse is spot on unlike a couple of posters earlier.

[JamesP81]

Down there, the races mix, and mingle, and work with and for each other, and nobody gives the 1950s and 1960s much of a thought anymore except when someone of the perpetually-offended class decides to squawk about a tiny St. Andrews Cross in the middle of an obscure county seal.

My dad travels a lot for his job; he tells me that South Carolina is much the same way as this.