Amen. This thread is proof positive that the right has its Drinkers O'the KoolAid just like the left. Here's reality: It's tough to have intelligent reasoned debates on here precisely because of the attitude that launched this thread. If you take any position contrary to a Bush position, you're "negative" or a "lily liver" or any of a host of other ridiculous perjoratives. Despite that, I base my opinions on the facts I observe and my conversative values. I do not, and will not, base my opinions on what Dubya or anyone else does or believes, as do so many on here.
You know, we used to say that Klinton could rape a nun on the White House lawn on national TV and the left would still find a way to support him. There's zero difference in that kind of blind loyalty and the kind that finds a silver lining in whatever Bush does. Yes, there's a vast difference in those two men, but the loyalty principle is exactly the same.
A prime example is immigration. There's no doubt in my mind that if Freeperdom was totally unaware of Bush's stance on immigration, and that stance was posted here for discussion, it would be ripped to shreds as idiotic. Yet because it's the Bush position, it's declared to be some sort of masterful strategy or some such nonsense.
Polls: Yes, some of them are biased, especially the ones constructed by the staggeringly biased MSM. But a lot of them are spot on. Oddly enough, there's no blasting of them when Bush (or any other GOP element) is doing well in them, but the moment they paint less than a rosy picture, they're decried as meaningless. I remember in 2000 on election eve, Zogby releasing his poll that showed Gore taking a slight lead in the national picture, equivalent of course to the popular vote. Oh the hilarity and name-calling that ensued. "Zogby Sauce" and such. 24 hours later, when it was obvious that the poll had been dead on, the topic quietly died. That goes on over and over.
I'll take intelligent, reasoned debate, based on facts, any day over wishful thinking and baseless complacency.
MM
You don't get it.
I think there are serious problems with Bush's immigration policy. I just don't happen to think they are bad enough to risk a DEMOCRAT immigration policy instead. Some of you think punishing George H for his tax raise was more important than what you got in the form of Bill Clinton.
I am trying to get some of the less thoughtful among you to understand that a bad deal is sometimes preferred over a HORRIBLE deal, which is what you will get if you let your anger cause you to sit at home on election day. You will get your pound of flesh, but the rest of the country will get a foot up it's butt courtesy of the Democrats. What is so hard to understand about that if you have a lick of common sense?
MM...
I see plenty of posts on threads here..that totally rip Bush's "plan" ( if one can call it that...) on immigration.
In fact I would hazard a guess that negative posts outweigh the positives by 3 to 1 or better.
FWIW-
A prime example is immigration. There's no doubt in my mind that if Freeperdom was totally unaware of Bush's stance on immigration, and that stance was posted here for discussion, it would be ripped to shreds as idiotic. Yet because it's the Bush position, it's declared to be some sort of masterful strategy or some such nonsense."
Not true at all ... Bush's stance on immigration has been ripped to shreds by many. What's nutty is to have people upset over the 20% of the Bush agenda that they dont like and forget that Bush is giving them 80% of what they want while the Democrats on the key and important issues want to destroy everything we hold dear.
Too many ideologues forget that the good is the enemy of the best, and in demanding perfection play into the hands of the socialists...
"Despite that, I base my opinions on the facts I observe and my conversative values. I do not, and will not, base my opinions on what Dubya or anyone else does or believes, as do so many on here."
It's derogatory and unfair to treat loyalty as some sort of inferior or unwise stance. We need to give Bush some slack because Bush has done much for what we believe and has the political arrows in his back to prove it.
NO Democrat would have nominated Roberts or Alito, and it was an easy thing to flub it and see them sink.
NO Democrat would have given us 3 tax cuts in a row.
And NO Democrat wants to make them permanent like Bush does.